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Considering Orthodoxy but family is Muslim and I'm dependent on them

This is my first time posting like this, so I apologize for any mistakes or if this is too long.

I think I want to convert to Orthodox Christianity, but my entire family is Muslim. I live in a Western country, which helps since I want to leave Islam, but the area has many people from my ethnic group who are almost entirely Muslim and generally religious. In my home country apostasy is punishable by death or imprisonment.

Islam is treated almost as an ethnic identity; I have heard people say you cannot be part of my ethnic group and not be Muslim, so leaving is not forgiven.

My parents are very religious and always remind me to pray. Recently I started hearing things about Islam from other Muslims that did not sit right with me, morally and theologically. I looked further and I am disgusted and deeply doubtful, especially about the moral issues. I do not understand how a prophet meant to be an example for all society did some of the things he did.

It is hard because I spent my whole life hearing only the good and loving him for it, only to learn these things later and hear other Muslims say my objections come from propaganda or lack of faith. Seeing how Muslims treat those who leave or doubt, and the hatred directed at them, has affected me. Of course that is not proof the religion is false, but it has had an impact.

This caused me to lose faith and stop praying. My family knows I do not pray much, but I do when they tell me to, and they still think I am Muslim, just struggling or sinning. I am even unsure if I am still Muslim. I think it might be fear-based: "What if I am wrong and go to hell?" "What if I ruin my life and fracture my family?" It is ingrained in everything I have known, including my culture.

My friends are Muslim as well. I mentioned to my best friend that I was struggling with religion, but I framed it as a struggle with the existence of God, too scared to say it was about Islam itself, and sprinkled in some moral issues like concubinage. She listened and directed me to scholars, but said believing in Allah is just a given for her, not something she has struggled with.

Eventually I told her my concerns were resolved, which was half true. I now fully believe in the existence of a God; the question is which one.

I have been interested in Orthodox Christianity and am starting to read more. It might be too early to say I am fully convinced, as I still have lingering theological issues, mainly with the Trinity. I know that is important, but I spent my whole life hearing how horrible the Trinity is, so bear with me. However, Orthodoxy makes more sense to me than Catholicism or Protestantism.

I cannot really convert because of my situation, and it is causing emotional issues. My internal thoughts and external life are completely different. I have worn hijab since I was eight. I did not necessarily choose it; my parents told me to.

I did not understand it, and I liked looking like my mother and sisters, so I did not fight it. I hate the hijab now and hate being perceived as Muslim. Every aspect makes me worry about what others think. Oddly, I do like dressing modestly, but not to that extent. I am self-conscious even showing my forearms, worried people will view me badly.

This has largely been my relationship with hijab: how others view me. Hijab has also caused more anxiety as hatred toward Islam rises. Being a woman who looks Muslim means we bear the brunt of it. I am scared of being harassed because I wear it when I do not even want to.

I also have to pretend to pray, love Islam, and have others see me as Muslim. I thought about taking off the hijab and "being Muslim" but acting like I struggle with that concept. Unfortunately all the women in my family wear it, and in my culture girls wear it young, so around ninety percent of the girls I know also wear it.

Main points

  • Wants to convert to Orthodoxy but entire family and ethnic community are Muslim, with apostasy punishable by death in home country
  • Struggles with Trinity after lifelong teaching that it is horrible; finds Orthodoxy more coherent than Catholicism or Protestantism
  • Dependent on parents at 18, cannot drive or attend church, has family at university preventing a double life
  • Hates wearing hijab since childhood, feels humiliated and anxious, but removing it would cause massive family and community conflict
  • Experiencing severe emotional exhaustion, mood swings, cycles of doubt and reconviction, and daydreams of a different life; cannot access therapy
11 opinions in the discussion 10 participants, 3 replies to each other The opinion with the most support I'm really sorry you're going through all this. Going from Protestant to Catholic to Orthodox myself, and now being the only Orthodox Christian in my family, I know how hard it is not to worship in the same church as them sometimes, though it has gotten… Read the discussion
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  • opinion#3125

    I'm really sorry you're going through all this. Going from Protestant to Catholic to Orthodox myself, and now being the only Orthodox Christian in my family, I know how hard it is not to worship in the same church as them sometimes, though it has gotten easier with time. Your situation, with the added cultural and religious layers, makes this path even harder. I'd encourage you to take it slowly, pray, and discern carefully. You don't need the right answer all at once; figure it out step by step. The other commenter's advice was good: reach out to a priest, build a relationship with him, and let him guide you through the specifics. Depending on where you are and who you contact, he may even have dealt with situations like yours and could offer far better wisdom than anyone on Reddit. I've studied enough Islam to know it considers the Trinity polytheism, right? That's probably one of the hardest Christian concepts to grasp without that kind of teaching background, so don't feel bad if you don't get it yet. It took the church centuries to work out how to express the incarnation as the Nicene Creed does. For now, it's enough to know we believe the Trinity is one God in three distinct, co-equal, consubstantial persons, and that the second person came to earth in a particular time and place as Jesus Christ, lived and taught, and founded the church through the apostles who knew…

    • opinion#3133

      Yes, Muslims see the Trinity as polytheism and worshipping Christ as shirk (associating partners with Allah). They also see veneration of saints and the Mother of God as worshipping humans. Unpacking all of that is hard, but a lot of other things in Christianity, Orthodoxy specifically, make sense to me, and that helps. The concept of philanthropos is beautiful and fits with why I see Catholicism and Orthodoxy so differently. I've spent most of my life seeing God as completely detached from humanity, more like a distant overseer mainly concerned with punishment and sorting true believers from the rest. So thank you for sharing this with me, and for the advice!

    • opinion#3134

      Any advice for me? I've recently started attending divine liturgy at an Orthodox church near me. My family and my wife's family are Protestant and very much against anything that isn't Protestantism. I'm not looking to argue with them, but I know they will want to.

  • opinion#3126

    Prayers coming your way! Do everything you can to build the tools you'll need to be independent. Learning to drive is a good first step. Work hard at university, and if you can get a part time job, even tutoring other students, save everything you can. God loves you and will help you. Converting won't happen quickly, but do what you can to be ready for when it becomes possible within the church.

  • opinion#3127

    I'm sorry you're dealing with these hardships and pray it gets worked out. Generally, I'd suggest finding people in a similar situation, who left Islam and faced the same problems. If there are Antiochian parishes near you, consider them, since they have Christian Arabs who understand interfaith issues. On the Trinity: it's part of revealed faith. You can understand it better but never fully. Honestly, God is hard to grasp in general, apart from the persons of the Trinity. Yet you still believe in God even without understanding everything about His nature. An example that really helps Muslims is that Jesus is the Word of God (see the Gospel of John). In Islam, the Quran is the eternal, uncreated, divine word of God. The eternal word of God becoming physical? That starts to sound like Trinitarian theology (obviously not the Christian understanding exactly, but it shows Islam isn't as simple as it's presented). Also, I never got the Islamic limitation on God. God can do anything, yet He can't enter creation? Why? Sounds like a limitation on God to me... Back to your post, I really hope things work out. Approach it carefully, ideally find a priest to talk to, plus people who've been in your situation or understand it well. God bless.

  • opinion#3128

    Lord have mercy. Catechumen classes will explain more, and you can ask directly about your biggest hurdles. You won't get the best information here, and there's a real chance of getting wrong info. Please be safe. If needed, make a new email used only for communicating with an Orthodox church (Eastern, not Oriental). I don't know how much your family snoops through your things. If you can visit one nearby, maybe ask the church how to handle it. I imagine they've dealt with this many times. If you don't mind, I'll keep you in my prayers.

    • opinion#3135

      Of course, you can keep me in your prayers. Thank you. I'm going to try to reach out to a church, but for the foreseeable future it might only be possible digitally. I'm worried because I don't know how long this situation will last. I know becoming Orthodox can take a while, and I know I'll eventually need to be baptized, and I don't know if I'll be able to do that. My family doesn't usually go through my things, but they do have my location and check it.

  • opinion#3129

    Thank you for posting. There's been quite a surge of Muslims becoming Orthodox. It's a uniquely difficult struggle, but one with wonderful rewards. I was never a Muslim, but I was born into a group similar in some ways. I hope this helps, even a little. I grew up in the Watchtower cult, which has a lot in common with Islam. (I've even heard it jokingly called 'American Islam'.) They reject the Trinity, saying the Father is God, the Holy Spirit is just his 'active force', and Christ is the Archangel Michael. Like Islam, they historically took teachings from angels too. (Fallen angels, I might add.) Anyone who believes differently from official teachings is shunned by their whole family and community. These teachings also change frequently, as directed by a self-appointed Governing Body based at a compound in rural New York. Leaving means not only losing family but bringing immense shame on the family name. They won't kill anyone or condone violence, but they'll do everything legally possible to ruin the lives of those they call 'apostates'. (They do claim the governing body will return in spirit form and kill all the apostates at Armageddon though.) I say all this for context. When I first 'woke up', as ex Jehovah's Witnesses call it when the brainwashing wears off, I lost my faith entirely for a while. Even once it started coming back, I struggled enormously with things like…

  • opinion#3130

    Hello, and God bless you and your family ❤️ I can't fully relate to your experience, but God sees your heart and your struggle. You sound like you come from a wonderful family, and that's a blessing. Ultimately they want what's best for you; they obviously love you! I second what's been said about talking to a priest. They'll have the deepest knowledge you can access, and it's not just about doctrine, theology, or logic. A priest, though human and imperfect, can show you the faith because he's living it too. As for the Trinity, I get that coming from a Muslim background it can be confusing. I'd encourage you to read the Gospel of John and of course ask a priest to clarify any questions. Don't be afraid of living in truth. Be afraid of living without it, because this life is short and we have free will to choose the truth every minute of every day. That's the Christian life! Church history has many who suffered earthly consequences for not living by the spirit of the age and those around them, such as Saint Ahmed the Calligrapher. You'll be in my prayers 🙏

  • opinion#3131

    Read the Bible and pray to the Triune God in secret for now. Read the lives of the saints. Keep your head down, save money, learn to drive, and leave when you finish school. The church will still be here. I'm an older ex-Muslim who joined Orthodoxy in my 30s, after a long stretch of rejecting Islam and being a secret agnostic.

  • opinion#3132

    Hello sister, I'll keep you in my prayers too. As unfortunate as it is, leaving Islam means losing your family, but you GAIN a new family in Christ. You GAIN salvation. You GAIN the One True God and all His love and comfort. The things and people of this world are temporary. I know that's easier said than done. If you're in Canada, there's actually a non-profit that helps women who want to leave Islam but don't know how. It was started by an ex-muslima who became Christian. I'll try to find the name and post it here.