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Protestant argues Reformers abandoned apostolic Christianity

The speaker identifies as a Protestant by conviction, not convenience or complacency, and argues that the Reformers, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Ulrich Zwingli, Philipp Melanchthon, and John Knox, did not restore apostolic Christianity but departed from it. He names them as those who reformed the church but says they actually did the opposite of restoring apostolic Christianity.

He cites three early church fathers to show what the early church held. Saint Ignatius of Antioch defended the authority of bishops. Saint Irenaeus of Lyons defended apostolic succession. Saint Basil the Great defended holy tradition and its authority.

The speaker then points to specific rejections by two leading Reformers. Luther rejected the sacramental priesthood. Calvin rejected the Eucharistic sacrifice. The speaker asserts these departures contradict both the early church and Scripture itself.

He observes that Protestants remain divided over baptism, the Eucharist, salvation, and church authority. He concludes that a movement cannot claim to restore the apostolic faith while remaining divided over what that faith is. The speaker presents his case as a Protestant who has examined the historical record and found the Reformation's claims wanting.

The discussion turns on whether the Reformation was a recovery or a rupture, and the speaker contends the evidence shows rupture.

Key moments

  1. The speaker states he is a Protestant out of conviction, not convenience or complacency.
  2. He names the Reformers, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Zwingli, Melanchthon, Knox, as those who reformed the church but says they actually did the opposite of restoring apostolic Christianity.
  3. He cites St. Ignatius defending the authority of bishops, St. Irenaeus defending apostolic succession, and St. Basil defending holy tradition and its authority.
  4. He says Luther rejected the sacramental priesthood and Calvin rejected the Eucharistic sacrifice.
  5. He asserts these departures contradict the early church and Scripture itself.
  6. He observes Protestants remain divided over baptism, the Eucharist, salvation, and church authority.
  7. He concludes you cannot claim to restore the apostolic faith while remaining divided over what the faith even is.
8 opinions in the discussion 6 participants, 5 replies to each other The opinion with the most support And then all the reformers went to war with each other and produced an endless number of denominations. 👌 Read the discussion
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  • opinion#3476

    And then all the reformers went to war with each other and produced an endless number of denominations. 👌

  • opinion#3478

    Wow, very absolute. I'm sure there are zero Protestant counterarguments to any of this, and no church fathers who back Protestant positions at all…

    • opinion#3479

      Oh there definitely are.. when you have sophistry, cherry picking quotes with no context, and straight up twisting old writings on purpose, then Protestant groups absolutely have a winning argument. 🙂 don't take offense, I'm just throwing the same energy back at you, just with a bit of humor added 🙂

    • opinion#3480

      Montanist, Arius, Nestorius, and antichrist Jews yeah

    • opinion#3481

      yeah, a church father holding a Protestant argument is known as an Anathema. Or in simpler words, a heretic. Arius held pretty Protestant ideas. and he got smacked by Santa Claus

    • opinion#3482

      @fejable do you actually get what the problems with Arianism are, or are you just throwing spaghetti at the wall hoping something sticks? You assume they were Protestant in some way, yet they belonged to a specific church…. One you disagree with…. You think their writings back you up when really those same writings would tear down your beliefs….

    • opinion#3483

      @fejable no, not aimed at you personally. *you* as in the positions tied to Christianity on the Protestant side

  • opinion#3477

    Christ didn't start a bunch of churches with doctrines that contradict each other, he started one. And he promised that this church would never fall away, never be handed off to someone else, and never be overcome by the gates of hades. If you can't trace your church through every century (protestants), then your church isn't the historical one founded by Christ.