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Orthodoxy as fullness of Christian faith, not added structure

What the video says

Bryce recounts that many Orthodox people tell him he needs Orthodoxy. He notes that before a suicidal crisis he was advised that religious structure would bring safety, yet such structure outside Christianity does not satisfy.

He says Orthodoxy is not about adding rules or religious structure but about receiving the whole Christian faith: doctrine, worship, sacraments, spiritual life, tradition. The Eucharist, baptism, and apostolic succession belong to the church's life, so people urge him toward Orthodoxy because without it he lacks the fullness of the Christian faith.

Key moments

  1. Bryce recounts that many Orthodox people tell him he needs Orthodoxy.
  2. He says that before a suicidal period people told him religious structure would make him safe.
  3. He observes that religious structure outside Christianity does not give satisfaction, significance, or security.
  4. He states that he loves tradition, sacraments, and similar things.
  5. He explains that Orthodoxy is not about adding rules or religious structure but about receiving the Christian faith as a whole, including doctrine, worship, sacraments, spiritual life, and tradition.
  6. He argues that loving tradition and sacraments but not belonging to the church that preserves them falls apart.
  7. He says the Eucharist, baptism, and apostolic succession belong to a certain understanding of the church and require existing within the life of that church.
  8. He concludes that people urge him toward holy Orthodoxy not for more religion but because without it he lacks the fullness of the Christian faith.

Bryce recounts that many Orthodox people tell him he needs Orthodoxy. He notes that before a suicidal crisis he was advised that religious structure would bring safety, yet such structure outside Christianity does not satisfy. He says he loves tradition, sacraments, and similar things. He explains that Orthodoxy is not about adding rules or religious structure but about receiving the whole Christian faith: doctrine, worship, sacraments, spiritual life, and tradition.

He argues that loving tradition and sacraments but not belonging to the church that preserves them falls apart. He says the Eucharist, baptism, and apostolic succession belong to a certain understanding of the church and require existing within the life of that church. He concludes that people urge him toward holy Orthodoxy not for more religion but because without it he lacks the fullness of the Christian faith.

Main points

  • Orthodox Christians tell Bryce he needs Orthodoxy
  • Religious structure outside Christianity did not satisfy him during a suicidal crisis
  • Orthodoxy is receiving the whole Christian faith, not adding rules
  • The Eucharist, baptism, and apostolic succession belong to the church's life
  • People urge him toward Orthodoxy for the fullness of the Christian faith
26 opinions in the discussion 18 participants, 13 replies to each other The opinion with the most support When will the Orthodox community online realize that if you keep harassing someone to join the Orthodox Church and if you keep calling them a heretic your pushing them away from the Church instead of bringing them into the Church Read the discussion
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  • opinion#1565

    When will the Orthodox community online realize that if you keep harassing someone to join the Orthodox Church and if you keep calling them a heretic your pushing them away from the Church instead of bringing them into the Church

    • opinion#1567

      @johnnyalpha793_ Are you actually suggesting that I'm harassing Bryce or calling him a heretic in this video?

    • opinion#1568

      @timotheosxc no im talking about the people he was talking about not you

    • opinion#1569

      Because a lot of Orthodox Christians online love going to non-Orthodox Christian creators and keep telling them to convert to Orthodoxy or keep calling them heretics. As much as I want them to enter the true Holy Orthodox Church, imagine if a bunch of Muslims online told you to convert to Islam. It's obviously not going to drive you to convert, in fact the opposite. I'm saying we should stop spamming creators to convert to Orthodoxy because they'll see it as annoying and it'll drive them away from the faith (but I wasn't referring to you).

  • opinion#1559

    The problem with him saying that is it's just non denominational echo chamber jargon that people will hear and never dig deeper because of. I heard "relationship not religion" my whole life and believed it until I recently took the leap into orthodoxy myself

  • opinion#1561

    Imagine telling someone they need to join an ethnic eastern church 😂 eastern Larptrodoxy

    • opinion#1570

      Russia and Constantinople are in schism. 50 percent of Orthodox Christianity is in Russia. Every Orthodox church disagrees on doctrine. By your logic, God only made the sacraments available to Eastern Europe for thousands of years 😂 The universal church makes more sense. If you want to say who's the most traditional and undeveloped, then let's be Oriental Orthodox.

  • opinion#1560

    This mentality goes simply against everything St Paul speaks on in Romans 9.. God wants your heart not your structure - not other men telling you what Gods intent is.

    • opinion#1571

      Have you actually read Romans 9 in context? Paul is speaking on divine election and the children of the promise, not condemning Church structure at all. This is the same Paul who commands us to hold fast to apostolic traditions in 2 Thessalonians 2:15 and calls the Church the "pillar and foundation of truth" in 1 Timothy.

    • opinion#1572

      Meanwhile you're a man telling us what God's intent is... see how that works? 🤦🏾‍♂️

    • opinion#1573

      he isn't talking about divine election tho - everyone has election and he makes that clear - Jew and Gentile we were all chosen. He makes that clear and then goes onto say how we do not have the authority to delegate who is saved nor who is going to hell..

    • opinion#1574

      I'm not attempting to pick God's mind with my logic, that's the difference. I'm simply reciting scripture. Scripture tells me God wants our heart. It doesn't tell me He wants us to identify to an ideology.

    • opinion#1575

      Respectfully bro your position is self refuting. We don't believe we can know or "pick" God's mind so that doesn't help you out. You're still ultimately telling us what you believe God's word is saying. There is no getting around that.

    • opinion#1576

      I'm tho the scripture is clear - Romans 10:3 (ESV) "For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Romans 10:9-10 (ESV) because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. There indeed is no mention of any theology aside from the theology of Christ. If shutting it argues against man made belief. I'm not against orthodoxy, but we have absolutely no way to say its an end all be all to salvation.

    • opinion#1577

      you're right I'm using the text at face value - but I'm also not claiming my view is the key to salvation. I know what leads to salvation through the words of Christ which is black and white. The rest is semantics.

    • opinion#1578

      Romans 10 my bad.

    • opinion#1579

      but also the church isn't a central building or organization - the church is the body of Christ. That is a command for the church (followers of our savior) to hold themselves to truth.

  • opinion#1566

    His logic doesn't even make sense. If religious structure saved his life, how would he know he doesn't need orthodoxy?

  • opinion#1556

    I have not felt more free than I do now as an Orthodox Christian. These are not rules to shackle me. Knowing the truth and trying to live like the saints is so freeing. We will always fall short of the glory of God, but to know that we have the tools to help us become more Christ-like and that there are not rules imposed by man makes it a whole lot easier to be a Christian.

  • opinion#1557

    You know how long it took for me to go to the nearest Orthodox parish after being "baptized" at a Non-Denominational Protestant church? 2 months. 2 months after being "baptized" I sought after the truth because there was ZERO repentance as a Protestant. Christos Anesti ☦️

  • opinion#1563

    The guy seems too focused on emotional fulfilment, especially when highlighting his struggles with taking his own life. But he has to understand that people from many other religions experience that same emotional connection within their own beliefs. That's essentially contradictory in his reasoning in my opinion

  • opinion#1554

    We tell everyone they need Holy Orthodoxy. That is where you get the fullness of the faith. Orthodoxy is an entire world view and not a least common denominator form of Christianity. How do you believe in the death, burial and resurrection but you don't believe in Theosis? If we are to rise like Christ did and have a glorified body, you need theosis. Now if you believe in theosis you must affirm iconography. If you don't affirm icons then your affirming Gnosticism/Docetism and looking at material things as bad. You're saying that God can't deify material things or matter! And now through the rejection of icons and deified physical matter how are you going to believe in the incarnation of Christ?! And without the incarnation there can obviously be no real presence in the Eucharist! This is why we say that Holy Orthodoxy is the fullness of the faith in Christ! This is the teaching of the Apostles and you ONLY find the true faith in the true Church! And we want everyone to be on the Ark of salvation!☦️

  • opinion#1555

    As a Catholic. Even though I don't believe Orthodoxy is the one true Church, I think it serves a purpose. Because if everyone was Catholic then we would seem brainwashed if we all agreed universally. But Jesus wants his Church to be united. And they both have Apostolic Succession while disagreeing on some things. We aren't all brainwashed, and have we have valid Sacraments. This is just a theory I have. So could anyone reply and tell me if this could be like true or nah. And provide evidence. God bless ♥️✝️

  • opinion#1558

    As a high church protestant who is studying Orthodox Christianity, I need to be honest. I am told countless times that I need to live the orthodox faith, and personally, it seems easy to be deceived by yourself. Like to me, it seems a huge part of orthodoxy is having blind faith. I don't know. I'm still studying it, and so I may word my words wrongly here. I am actively looking into the life of the earlier saints and the church fathers, but It's not going so well I don't have any church near me and I am having difficulty understanding the language and meanings of the church fathers and lives of early saints. Anyways, apologies if this comment discourages others in any way. Please pray for me

  • opinion#1562

    @believe_in_jesus_amen not true. There is only ONE church. Jesus said he would create a SINGULAR church which would never fall, and that church still exists: ☦️ No other church has valid sacraments except baptism, but only if it is in the name of the Trinity. If you're not in the Orthodox Church, you've just been having crackers and wine or whatever.

  • opinion#1564

    @timotheosxc Curious on your understand alongside anyone else who would like to comment below for this fun discussion. I find there are two topics regarding the church: 1. Priority salvation: what parameters are required for salvation of someone's soul/spirit to happen (along with this vast subject i only classify there are those who are saved and those who are not) which leads to secondary topics that follow into classification No.2 2. Secondary topics: Theses are still important but are not required for salvation ( 1 Corinthians 3:12-15) where they will still be saved but their rewards will change. I myself am not linked to the orthodox understanding in some things such as the eucharist being the actual body and blood of Christ based on his first definition established of what Jesus spoke on in John 6:33-40. which is why in certain topics i would disagree to the understanding (also if someone says "well it was taught throughout the early church, so was Catholicism and we both don't agree on that avenue, so i dont hold that as high as other would because of that reality I have been meaning to look into this aspect of Christianity, I wanted to know if anyone else wanted to talk about this and other topics incase anyone else is curious or if you have videos that explain orthodoxy well, comment them down below