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Orthodoxy and Bible Reading: The Confession of Dositheus Explained

Orthodoxy and Bible Reading: The Confession of Dositheus Explained 17:14

The speaker responds to a Protestant apologist who claims the Orthodox Church forbids Bible reading, citing the Confession of Dositheus adopted at the Synod of Jerusalem in 1672. He explains the Confession was written during rising Calvinist influence to defend Orthodox teaching on Scripture, tradition, salvation, and church authority.

The Confession's concern was not that Scripture is dangerous but that individuals could misunderstand difficult passages and elevate private interpretations above the apostolic faith. He notes Protestantism's many schisms as evidence of this danger.

He counters that Orthodox saints and priests constantly tell Christians to read Scripture, and the Divine Liturgy and Vespers are full of Scripture readings, so the idea that Orthodoxy hides or forbids the Bible is false. He reads the Confession's actual wording: Scripture is divinely inspired, necessary, and profitable, but the Church forbids undisciplined persons from reading it because experience shows they can distort it to their own destruction.

He cites 2 Peter 3:16, where Peter writes that ignorant and unstable people distort hard passages of Scripture to their own destruction, supporting the need for caution. He also examines 1 Peter 2 and Acts 17 to show Scripture requires the Church's interpretive context. He rejects the idea that Scripture is self-interpreting, pointing out Protestant disunity and the multitude of denominations versus the unity of apostolic churches on core doctrines, and says the problem is fallenness, not intelligence.

He refutes the apologist's use of 1 John 2:27 by showing John combats Gnostic false teachers who claimed secret knowledge, not the apostolic teaching office, and that the anointing teaches within the body of Christ, not privately. He rejects the comparison of the Orthodox Church to the Pharisees, explaining Christ condemned Pharisaic hypocrisy and corruption, not authority itself, and the Church has sacramental continuity, the promise of indefectibility, and conciliar self-correction unlike the Pharisees.

Key moments

  1. The speaker introduces the Protestant claim that the Orthodox Church forbids Bible reading, citing the Confession of Dositheus adopted at the Synod of Jerusalem in 1672, and notes the council was convened during growing Calvinist influence to defend Orthodox teaching on scripture, tradition, salvation, and church authority.
  2. He explains the Confession's concern was not that Scripture is dangerous but that individuals could misunderstand difficult passages and elevate private interpretations above the apostolic faith, and he says Protestantism's endless schisms vindicate this warning.
  3. He counters that Orthodox saints and priests constantly tell Christians to read Scripture, and the Divine Liturgy and Vespers are full of Scripture readings, so the idea that Orthodoxy hides or forbids the Bible is false.
  4. He reads the Confession's actual wording: Scripture is divinely inspired, necessary, and profitable, but the Church forbids undisciplined persons from reading it because experience shows they can distort it to their own destruction.
  5. He cites 2 Peter 3:16, where Peter writes that ignorant and unstable people distort hard passages of Scripture to their own destruction, supporting the need for caution in reading.
  6. He rejects the idea that Scripture is self-interpreting, pointing out Protestant disunity and the multitude of denominations versus the unity of apostolic churches on core doctrines, and says the problem is fallenness, not intelligence.
  7. He refutes the apologist's use of 1 John 2:27 ('you have no need that anyone should teach you') by showing John combats Gnostic false teachers who claimed secret knowledge, not the apostolic teaching office, and that the anointing teaches within the body of Christ, not privately.
  8. He rejects the comparison of the Orthodox Church to the Pharisees, explaining Christ condemned Pharisaic hypocrisy and corruption, not authority itself, and the Church has sacramental continuity, the promise of indefectibility, and conciliar self-correction unlike the Pharisees.
19 opinions in the discussion 19 participants The opinion with the most support It's completely contradictory when Protestants claim 'Orthodoxy doesn't follow the Bible, it follows the Church fathers.' But if the fathers tell us to read the Bible, wouldn't we do exactly that? Read the discussion
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  • opinion#2346

    It's completely contradictory when Protestants claim 'Orthodoxy doesn't follow the Bible, it follows the Church fathers.' But if the fathers tell us to read the Bible, wouldn't we do exactly that?

  • opinion#2347

    I'm an inquirer. After a vespers I asked a priest what I should do as someone new to Orthodoxy. He gave me a website with the bible verses the church reads and told me to read the Bible alongside other inquirers and members. That answer genuinely shocked me, since I figured he'd point me to some obscure church father in a book not available at any local library that I'd have to order on amazon for $50+ 🤣 Orthodox care way more about the Bible than the sola scriptura crowd gives them credit for.

  • opinion#2348

    My prayer book's confession guide literally lists neglecting regular scripture reading as a sin you have to confess.

  • opinion#2349

    Since converting I've read more scripture this year alone than in my whole life before that, but sure, we don't read the scriptures😂😂😂

  • opinion#2351

    Reading the Saints, Church Fathers, etc... has given me a deeper understanding of the Bible than I ever had before. The Transfiguration is just one example. It's been mind-blowing. 🫵 if you're reading this, become Orthodox ☦️. Good video.

  • opinion#2356

    We all need to do better at distinguishing magisterial Protestants from hoo-bob evangelicals. A lot of what's being critiqued here are creedless American tax bodies, at least some Protestants have confessions and standards

  • opinion#2352

    In his homily on Ephesians 6,1-4 Chrysostom tells parents to start teaching and reading the scriptures to their children as early as possible, so they're equipped with the word of god for life in the world. He says every christian should know scripture, even more than monks should.

  • opinion#2364

    I do Bible studies specifically with Eastern Orthodox Christians. Yes, we reach different conclusions, but at the very least we're getting there through honest study of the scriptures.

  • opinion#2350

    I was telling our 90 yo priest about the book I was reading and that I'd just ordered volume 1 of the lives of the saints. He told me to read my bible and focus on the Gospels. 😂😂😂

  • opinion#2355

    Fr SDY makes the point that Jerusalem 1672 just isn't a big deal for us. We don't commemorate it with a feast or hymns. It has secondary authority as an exposition, not a definition, of Orthodox faith. Remember that when a non-Orthodox person tries to tell you what your faith "really" teaches.

  • opinion#2358

    There are NKJV bibles and orthodox study bibles scattered all over my parish. The claim that they don't let you read the bible is so absurd I'd wonder if you were straw manning Protestants and evangelicals, except unfortunately I actually heard this claim when leaving my evangelical church

  • opinion#2353

    This is what my ex baptist preacher friend believed. That the Orthodox church doesn't care about the Bible. LMAO. We're supposed to read it every day!! We sing it every Sunday. The Priest reads passages during Orthros and Liturgy!

  • opinion#2354

    It's pure insanity that protestants not only strawman the bible with their subjective interpretations, but now they strawman our church's confessions like the confession of Dositheos, even though the living witness of the church disproves their strawman.

  • opinion#2357

    The traditional Anglican Church, which is Apostolic, Sacramental, and venerates the saints, maintains the western Catholic Faith. We also use the BCP, which is almost entirely scripture turned into prayers and liturgies. We share this reverence for Scripture with the Eastern Church

  • opinion#2359

    If anyone actually reads the Bibke, they'll find contradiction after contradiction between what the Apostles preached and what modern-day churches preach. The Bible is the word of God and a must-read.. daily.. Jer 29:13 (KJV) And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

  • opinion#2360

    What they're saying is that if you pick up a Bible and become a heretic, you'd be better off never having read it. To not be a heretic you need a good predisposition. The best way to read the Bible is with a Saintly vision of Christ, which requires humility and purity of heart, since the pure in heart see God. Sin distorts and blocks reception of truth, so a Bible without the context and guardrails of the Church is actually spiritually dangerous for some.

  • opinion#2361

    Honestly I'm scared to read the Bible by myself. I don't want to end up proving right the criticisms that Protestants and atheists keep aiming at the holy Orthodox Church, since both of them tend to use scripture as a weapon against the Church.

  • opinion#2362

    I really don't think you need a textbook to read the Bible. Just pray and read it. Ask God to reveal the truth in the name of Jesus and He will. All you need is prayer, faith, willingness, and a Bible. The more effort you put in, the easier it gets to hear God back. In the name of Jesus, who is coming back very soon to save the lost children of Israel. We are Israel!!!! I believe America is the new Babylon, though I'm open to being wrong about that. I just want Jesus to come back and save us. Christ is King and my personal Prince of Peace ❤ Who agrees with me? I stay open to other views, but I test the Spirit. I went to Christian school k-12 so I had a head start, but I turned my back on God and my faith. He never turned His back on me. I tried to unalive myself intentionally 3 times and more times after that. I'm here for a reason and so are you! If you're reading this and having a rough time, this world is fake. What is your eternity worth? Satan is building an army, but God's army is smaller and stronger. Don't turn your back on your faith. Put on the full armor of God and don't be too hard on yourself. It's ok to see your flaws and try to fix them. It's ok to mess up. Look at the Bible. Jesus is the only perfect human. We've had amazing prophets, but none were without sin or pain. Who did Jesus hang out with? The wealthy? The Pharisees? No, the lost sheep. He is our Lion.…

  • opinion#2363

    If Orthodox Christians didn't read the Bible, they wouldn't be Orthodox... They'd be more like Protestants, who build their denomination on whatever they feel like instead of staying traditional within the church based on the Bible. The Orthodox Church is the most biblical-based church I've ever seen, from modesty to communion to worship. Orthodox Christians DO read the Bible!