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Stop Porn Now for Your Future Wife: Orthodox Men on Marriage Readiness

Stop Porn Now for Your Future Wife: Orthodox Men on Marriage Readiness 11:37

What the video says

Two speakers discuss young men coming into the Orthodox Church, many of whom carry pornography addiction from growing up with little guidance. They describe how men who quit porn can fall into pride, judgment of women, and bitterness when they fail to find a partner, and they warn that blaming women as a group signals something wrong.

The speakers urge men to stop pornography now for the sake of a future wife, to focus on their own sins rather than condemning others, and to prepare for marriage by becoming worthy of the spouse they want. They also speak about marriage as a deep co-struggle where sins against one's wife are most frequent, and how a man's sins or love vibrate outward into his family.

Key moments

  1. Many young men are coming into the church, raised with little guidance and exposed to pornography, which rewires the brain and becomes a burden they carry.
  2. Men who overcome porn can move from sins of the left hand to sins of the right, becoming prideful and judgmental toward women, sometimes influenced by red pill content about body counts, and growing bitter when they cannot find a partner.
  3. The moment you blame all women and put them in one box, something is wrong; a woman with anything in her past can also repent, and a man who repents can be a good king worthy of a queen.
  4. Stop pornography now for the love of your future wife; thinking you can stop after marriage is a terrible idea, and neuroplasticity makes relapse easier the longer you watched it.
  5. One speaker watched porn nearly every day from sixth or seventh grade until his freshman year of college; you are forgiven when you repent, but the damage of the sin remains.
  6. Orthodox saints focus on the evil within themselves; do not hold a repentant person's sins against them, because you will be judged by the standard you judge others.
  7. You come into the church fleeing evil in the world and realize you are the problem, since the only thing you can control is yourself; focus on your own sins, which is a full-time job.
  8. Ask honestly whether the person you want would want you in your current state; Father Josiah Trenham advises making a list of qualities you want in a spouse and turning it inward, because you attract what you are.

Two speakers discuss the wave of young men coming into the Orthodox Church, many of whom carry pornography addiction from growing up with little guidance. They describe how porn rewires the brain and becomes a burden men bring with them into church life. The speakers then address a pattern: men who quit porn often fall into a new set of sins, becoming prideful and judgmental toward women, sometimes shaped by red pill content about body counts, and growing bitter when they cannot find a partner.

They warn that blaming all women and putting them in one box signals something wrong, and that a woman with anything in her past can also repent. One speaker shares that he watched porn nearly every day from sixth or seventh grade until his freshman year of college, and notes that while you are forgiven when you repent, the damage of the sin remains.

They urge men to stop pornography now for the love of a future wife, saying the idea of stopping after marriage is terrible and that neuroplasticity makes relapse easier the longer you watched it. The discussion turns to repentance and humility: Orthodox saints focus on the evil within themselves, and you will be judged by the standard you judge others.

Men coming into the church flee evil in the world and then realize they are the problem, since the only thing they can control is themselves, and watching their own sins is a full-time job. The speakers close with practical advice on preparing for marriage: ask honestly whether the person you want would want you in your current state, and follow Father Josiah Trenham's advice to make a list of qualities you want in a spouse and turn it inward, because you attract what you are.

Marriage is described as a deep co-struggle where sins against one's wife are most frequent, and a man's sins or love vibrate outward into his family.

Main points

  • Many young men entering the church carry pornography addiction from growing up with little guidance; porn rewires the brain and becomes a burden.
  • Men who quit porn can fall into pride and judgment of women, sometimes shaped by red pill content, and grow bitter when they cannot find a partner.
  • Blaming all women signals something wrong; a woman with anything in her past can also repent, and a repentant man can be a good king worthy of a queen.
  • Stop porn now for the love of your future wife; stopping after marriage is a terrible idea, and neuroplasticity makes relapse easier the longer you watched.
  • Father Josiah Trenham advises listing the qualities you want in a spouse and turning the list inward, because you attract what you are.
18 opinions in the discussion 18 participants The opinion with the most support Maybe I should have my wife make a video about the failures of women in society. Since the supposed men who need to be leaders dance around the issue and shift the burden solely onto a population of men that is a severe minority in our society. The issue… Read the discussion
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  • opinion#1536

    Maybe I should have my wife make a video about the failures of women in society. Since the supposed men who need to be leaders dance around the issue and shift the burden solely onto a population of men that is a severe minority in our society. The issue isn't "women bad because modernity", the issue is that young men know where the root of this issue is and when they call it out, they're admonished and held to an uneven standard.

  • opinion#1538

    Here's a wild thought - maybe both men and women have real problems in the modern world that need fixing. We can't act like there isn't a serious problem with female behavior on a massive scale just because men are flawed too. Treating women like kids who bear no accountability is absurd. Plenty of guys aren't ready for a real relationship either, but that doesn't erase what we all see with our own eyes every day.

  • opinion#1537

    It is the Women. Society is currently in unchecked hypergamy. Women want Men who are better than they are. Between hiring practices and society promoting Women's interests over Mens, it is only gonna get worse because Women will not date Men that they see as less than they are. I'm tired of people scapegoating Women because they're Women.

  • opinion#1541

    I loved every video up until now, but you are wrong, women need to be told to be better, but Ive yet to see an orthodox leader to speak about this.

  • opinion#1539

    I think it's very naive to think that just because you quit porn, social media, earn money etc... you somehow earn a loyal wife these days. It doesn't change the behavior of many modern women who want nothing to do with church at all. I'm extremely hesitant to sign marriage papers 👰‍♀️🤵‍♂️ but at the same time there's hope in our Lord and eternal life which is greater than anything we can imagine.

  • opinion#1540

    It's common in masculine spaces for men to treat themselves as the "explanatory principle" that external things conform to. The problem is that it reduces the complex, multivariable dating market problem to a one-sided formula. It claims that changing yourself necessarily changes another person, as if only one side of the equation were deterministic. That reasoning is self-referential and shows inflated agency. Talking about the dating problem matters, and I appreciate any effort to address it. But I've heard many versions of this argument from church leaders before, and they always dodge holding women accountable. As a believing Christian, I see it as the calculated deflection I believe it is. And I know I'm not the only one who sees through it.

  • opinion#1542

    8:18 that's funny, women don't desire to be led by average men. Especially someone like me. No amount of money, no job title or workout routine (I'm not fat) will ever change that, it's the American culture that's the problem. Our culture is not built on the sacrament of marriage. It's on the civil union aspect. It's not even considered a sacrament to them or the government, the actual people women really care about.

  • opinion#1546

    I greatly appreciate the call towards becoming better people, we must not be hypocrites as we call out the actions of others. This is the way towards true happiness and true love and true holiness, the struggle to become more like Christ. On that point I concede, it is the most important goal of our existence and our Christian practice. However, I would like to say, this should not blind us to the evil committed by others, or the legitimate grievances men hold against women or vice versa. We can always attempt to reorient our hearts towards Christ, while refusing to let bad acts be excused. Since if we ever want things to get better between the genders and for godly households to flourish, we must be honest with each other, regarding both the good we have done to each other and the bad, only then can love arise which must be built on the bedrock of truth.

  • opinion#1544

    8:03 I hear people say this a lot. Most men i know want to lead and want to lead well, but the women in their lives dont respect them enough. They say things like "I would follow him if he was more responsible" but the problem is, they are making themselves the leaders by saying that. Of course all men should work towards being better leaders, but women need to also work towards being better followers. I think we should point the finger at women a little more because the society we live in will not. Unless somebody tries to correct the women, they will be led to destruction.

  • opinion#1543

    I'm Bulgarian Orthodox and we have some young men at the church, on the other hand 0 young women.

  • opinion#1545

    3:36 I would encourage you to consider what that means for what you just got done saying about all of the things a woman can have in her past, and repent from. What you said about the sins of the left hand vs. the sins of the right is absolutely true, but the way you categorize the red pill as just standing in moral judgment of women, while at the same time not acknowledging that a woman who lives in deep sin for ten years is going to be damaged and it can take a long time for her to recover, and that repentance isn't just a one-time decision... you people need to acknowledge the problems men are facing when it comes to dating modern women. You need to acknowledge that women, generally, have been damaged, and many of them have made a large amount of very poor choices, and I would also recommend acknowledging the red pill is about nothing more than showing young men how gynocentric society has become, and teaching those young men what steps they should take, what they need to know, in order to protect themselves in case their female partners decide to wield that society against them in a supreme act of relational violence.

  • opinion#1549

    While it's true that men need to solve their problems and issues to be good husbands it is also the same for women to be good wives, so much is said about men to do X Y Z things to improve and so little about women... You've probably easily encountered cases where the man would be a good husband but the woman acts poorly without having many qualities. There should be more saying about how women can improve, would be also good to warn men about what women to avoid without being judgemental ofc. In any case I am not targetting women, there are both great but also terrible women.

  • opinion#1551

    Me personally, yes, i'm a problem and i'm clearly not built to engage with... well, anything involving the opposite sex really... But i want to flag something that does go on in the church (or at least i saw it happen a lot online), which is that some women use the church and Jesus's name as a cover to convince guys they've "repented" so they can trick them and pull in as many material resources as possible through legal means (divorce, for example). A LOT of women do this (yeah, i know it's not exclusive to them, but still). So while i fully support the past being forgiven for anyone who genuinely comes to God, i'd also warn guys to think twice before getting into a relationship with these women, or with anyone really. Like bro, if someone is still recovering from lust and p0rn, it makes no sense for them to take marital vows then, why would you do that to your "spouse"? Or well, that's just how i see it, maybe i'm wrong but maybe it's for the best. And also Kyle, yeah obviously women aren't the problem, but they ARE (willingly, assuming women have free will of course) being used by the powers that be as a political tool and a means of control, so we shouldn't ignore that either when discussing them, especially given the conundrum i mentioned above.

  • opinion#1547

    The expectation that a potential female partner be open to Orthodoxy is too rigid a requirement? And the expectation that she be pro-life and maybe not obsess over zodiac signs, manifesting and light witchcraft would constitute a totally unreasonable purity test? Have you spoken to any young women? The real issue, ironically, is precisely that men have failed to lead and direct, that means telling women they're going the wrong way. The exact inverse of what you're suggesting. It is this posture of self-obsessed piety you're positing that perpetuates the problem we are in now. We should always be foremost concerned with our own hearts, but that doesn't mean we forsake identifying and correcting the errors and evils of others. The overwhelming majority of young women in America, and probably the West at large, are violently opposed to Christ and His Church, and despite the loud and combative war cries of their flesh, their sickened souls are, however unconsciously or dialectically, waiting for men of God to lead them to the cross.

  • opinion#1552

    We should be giving men advice on how to live as bachelors. Working on yourself is good but it won't guarantee you a wife. This video is as naive as thinking looksmaxxing will get you a wife. Just grieve, then move on and reorient the goals and expectations you have for your life.

  • opinion#1550

    I think it's valuable to talk about what p*rn actually does that's damaging. It's not the centralization of sex itself, that's not inherently the issue. What makes it problematic is that it's detached from reality, it's often more visual than sex actually is, it omits the feelings and comfort of all involved and turns what is organic and socially complicated into a mechanical act. It turns what was supposed to be adoration into objectification, service of one another into self-gratification. If you've read your bible, it's clear about what sexual immorality actually is and looks like, and this material often opens the door to exactly those kinds of behaviors and associations. It makes it easier to palate involving other people, or other beings in general. I won't elaborate there. Point is that it makes "normal" what's perverse. That's not any particular act between a husband and wife done in consent, but anything that splits the covenant and the sacred design. Sex is a beautiful thing, a sacred gift. P*rn is problematic because it twists it. It's all actually really simple: learn to serve the other person before you serve yourself, and you learn that through your relationship with God. Ps: I think one last topic worth mentioning is the fact that I think addiction is not the "fault" of the people struggling with it. Addictions form because a connection or need isn't being…

  • opinion#1548

    You're being like a manager who tells an exhausted employee who is working 5x as hard as the other that they need to stick to their role because they spoke up, when their role was not in discussion. Their lack of pay, and in fact being systematically paid less than the coworker who works 5x less, as well as that coworker not respecting their role, is what your employee is speaking up about. And instead, you say "But this is your role." You say nothing to his coworker, because you believe they have zero agency, even though the Bible never says this. Boys 8 years old have similar hormones to women, and are able to have a conscience. You are behaving as an abusive employer.

  • opinion#1553

    Sorry Kyle but this video kinda misses for me. As someone who got cheated on by a woman who to this day presents herself as an orthodox christian, right before i was about to propose... yeah. St. John Chrysostom wrote about this too, and he called these women worse than wolves, because they don't just tear flesh, they tear the spirit too. Sadly i've noticed a trend lately where women LARP as religious to hide their past but don't actually practice the faith at all. It's not only men who consume pornography either. Lots of women read smut books, which are arguably worse since they contain rape fantasies and beastiality, and some of them bring that into real life too. I'm not saying i'm better per se, i admit i do wrong, but it isn't just men. Otherwise i love your content brother. God bless!