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Jesus the Only Way, His Church the Pillar of Truth

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The speaker argues that the Bible does not claim Orthodoxy is the only way but makes a more radical assertion: Jesus himself is the way, the truth, and the life, and no one comes to the Father except through him, citing John 14:6. Jesus also said he would build his church, singular, not churches, and Scripture describes this church as the pillar and foundation of the truth.

Because Christ established his church and entrusted it with the truth, the unavoidable question becomes what happened to that church founded two thousand years ago, whether it disappeared, changed, or remains today. The presentation frames the issue not as a denominational claim but as a historical and theological inquiry into the continuity of the church Christ founded.

Key moments

The Bible does not say Orthodoxy is the only way but declares Jesus as the only way to the Father according to John 14:6.
Jesus said he would build his church, singular, not multiple churches.
The Bible calls the church the pillar and foundation of the truth.
Christ established his church and entrusted it with the truth.
The essential question is what happened to the church established by Christ and the apostles 2,000 years ago, did it disappear, change, or remain today?

15 opinions in the discussion 11 participants, 9 replies to each other The opinion with the most support In John 2:19 Jesus talked about destroying and rebuilding the temple, meaning his own body, but people back then took it literally. I believe the church is us, reborn in Him, one body, brothers and sisters in Him. Not a building. :) Read the discussion

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Discussion · 15

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opinion#2034 15 likes at the source
In John 2:19 Jesus talked about destroying and rebuilding the temple, meaning his own body, but people back then took it literally. I believe the church is us, reborn in Him, one body, brothers and sisters in Him. Not a building. :)
- opinion#2036
  
  essentially it isn't, but we do put a lot of emphasis on it. I love the building, don't get me wrong, I actually dream of painting frescos one day, but we must not forget what the church really is.
opinion#2033 5 likes at the source
Why orthodox and not catholic? I'm on the journey of deciding myself.
- opinion#2037 30 likes at the source
  
  because we worship the way the original christians did. We didn't cut the liturgy down to make it comfortable, we don't sit down to listen to sermons, and we don't shake hands with reform after reform. But you should start by reading about the split of the Catholic Orthodox Church and the reasons behind it. The idea that one man is infallible theologically and above all others is just pure nonsense.. and politics.
- opinion#2038
  
  Don't listen to this guy who just repeats anti catholic propaganda like a parrot^ the TRUE church has 4 criteria that must be met according to scripture. ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC (universal), APOSTOLIC. Eastern Orthodoxy doesn't even pass the first. There is no such thing as one universal Eastern Orthodox Church. Moscow and Constantinople, for example, are not in communion with each other. It's more a collection of separate churches. The Catholic Church, however, meets all 4 criteria and is the only ancient church that does. Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy & the Church of the East all fall short on at least 1 of the 4. All our dogmas and doctrine can be traced back to show they've always been the belief of the apostles and the ancient church. Not going to bother with the liturgy and sermon points, since I doubt he thinks any of that is salvific anyway. On infallibility though, yes, we believe the pope is preserved and protected from error when he formally teaches a doctrine on faith or morals for the universal church, through the power of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said the gates of hades will not prevail against the church and the Holy Spirit will guide them into all truth. It's pretty simple really: if God allowed the possibility of error being taught universally in matters of doctrine, faith or morals, then Jesus lied. We obviously don't believe that's possible, so the…
opinion#2035 5 likes at the source
An elderly priest once taught me that the Church is "within"... he showed me an old image of Christ pointing inward.. He explained that we carry the church wherever we go, just as Christ showed when He walked the Earth...
- opinion#2039 2 likes at the source
  
  The spiritual and physical aren't opposing pairs, they're deeply interconnected and complementary, and God uses both. "Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven". Christ also instituted a physical church, and it's visible.
- opinion#2040
  
  Christ never instituted a church .. we did .. Christ never sat in a church or preached in one .. he sat amongst the people and in their homes ... he never said build a church and honour me .. he was an example of YOU being the church .. you are the temple, the embodiment.. you are the representative of Christ, not the church itself .. it's just four walls ...
- opinion#2041 1 likes at the source
  
  Church has 3 meanings. The building, the congregation of believers, and the divine institution running through both old and new covenants with PRIEST, ALTAR, SACRIFICE, and that's the one I mean - PRIEST (high priest descended from Aaron in the old covenant & Christ, plus believers and bishops with apostolic succession in the new); ALTAR (physical bronze and stone altars in the tabernacle and temple receiving animal blood & burnt offerings in the old covenant & the altar of the cross, Christ himself as our spiritual altar, the physical church altar where the Eucharist is celebrated in the new); SACRIFICE (animals temporarily in the old covenant & the Eucharist plus believers offering themselves as a living spiritual sacrifice in the new). The church is a divine institution, meaning it transcends time, space and matter. That's why whatever the church binds on earth is bound in heaven etc. In reality it's God working through the church to keep it from falling into error, not heaven agreeing with fallible men. That's why the church must be visible and identifiable, or Christ is a liar who makes promises he can't keep...which I'm sure you don't believe.
- opinion#2042 1 likes at the source
  
  & by visible church I don't just mean a physical building... I mean an institution you can identify and whose leadership you can submit to, eg the Catholic Church - 1 universal church with a hierarchical structure... no confusion or doubt about who to listen to etc, the church is universal, holy, apostolic and one.
opinion#2032 2 likes at the source
But when Jesus built his church, it was on the foundational stone, Peter. That foundation was handed down to the Pope. I honestly prefer orthodoxy the more I learn about it, but going by scripture, Catholicism is the correct way.
- opinion#2043
  
  that's a common misconception about what that verse means. I'd recommend reading St John Chrysostom's Homily on that passage of Matthew. Peter is not the Rock Jesus speaks of. The Rock is the confession of faith in Christ, which is exactly what Simon Peter made at that moment. 1st Corinthians 10:4 backs that up. And further into the Homily it explains, with references to other parts of the Bible and church history, that the keys to heaven were given to all the apostles, not just Simon Peter. Which naturally kills the misconception that the Bible ever instituted the Papacy.
- opinion#2044
  
  From what I've found at least, there's no actual Scriptural precedent for that once you look past the surface of our modern English translation of the New Testament. It's (the verse from Matthew) one of those spots where translating Greek to English gets a bit wonky. Best way to put it, awkward as it sounds, would be "You are Petros (a stone), and upon this petra (massive bedrock) I will build my church." That's what Jesus said to Peter after his confession of faith. I can't blame anyone for thinking Jesus meant Peter as the Rock, I thought so too until I dug deeper. This is referencing Thayer's Lexicon. But at the end of the day, what matters most is that we all share our confessed faith in Jesus, small differences in interpreting bits of Scripture aside.
opinion#2030

I'm not paying you a thing! I'll gladly lend it to you with interest though 👏🏼. Joking aside, he used the word assembly, which later got germanised into Kirk/church. Christ was specifically against temple worship and preached assembly worship. That whole thing got mangled by translating assembly as church. The best way to put it, imo, is Temple Vs 'the called ones'. Also consider that Christ says *I* will build *my* church, which pretty conclusively means he is the architect and builder doing the work, not the assembly. Which makes sense, because the new covenant is of the spirit.
opinion#2031

Jesus Christ is so much more than an earthly organisation. He's right when he says "his body". No church saves you, no organisation, only Jesus Christ. The organisation might help you. Jesus Christ didn't found any church. If you follow him, follow his words, renew yourself in him, you're part of his body, which is so much more than we can think or imagine.