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How fifth-century Christians knew Christ without printed Bibles

The speaker challenges a Protestant interlocutor with a historical question: how would an illiterate person in the fifth century learn about Jesus without access to a printed Bible? He argues that the Protestant model of Christianity, centered on individual reading of Scripture, is virtually impossible before the invention of the printing press and the rise of widespread literacy.

By contrast, he presents his own view as not requiring a logocentric, book-centered faith. He acknowledges that there was one historical church and presses a reductio ad absurdum: if Protestantism is correct, then the church taught erroneously for 1,500 years. He asks whether God would have allowed the faith he established to be corrupted for that entire period.

The exchange centers on the role of Scripture, tradition, and the church in transmitting the Christian faith before modernity.

Key moments

  1. The speaker asks the Protestant where a fifth-century person would go to find out about Jesus given widespread illiteracy.
  2. He states that the Protestant version of Christianity is virtually impossible before the printing press.
  3. He says he does not hold a logocentric vision of Christianity that requires a printed book.
  4. He asserts that Protestantism is essentially available only through modernity.
  5. He acknowledges that there was one church historically.
  6. He presents a reductio: the claim that Christianity was wrongly practiced for 1,500 years.
  7. He questions whether God would allow the church to erroneously teach the faith he established for 1,500 years.
15 opinions in the discussion 13 participants, 9 replies to each other The opinion with the most support "There was one church historically, but now we do whatever we want" Read the discussion
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  • opinion#3603

    "There was one church historically, but now we do whatever we want"

    • opinion#3605

      There was never one church to begin with. Constantine the fraud couldn't control the Marcionites, and in his attempt to save a dying empire he made the Roman Church the Empire's official religion, confiscated the other churches and burned their books. It's amazing how little of our own history Christians actually know.

  • opinion#3604

    That's basically what the jw's believe. They think God allowed false teaching for that long 😂

  • opinion#3602

    Protestantism is God correcting where the Church went wrong. Why are we acting like the Church was perfect from the start?? Paul had to write critical letters to the early Churches. Is the Church in Rome somehow immune to that?

    • opinion#3606

      Christ said the gates of hades shall not prevail against his church, so was Christ a liar?

    • opinion#3607

      That is irrelevant to what I presented.

    • opinion#3608

      "Protestantism is God correcting where the church had gone wrong." Okay, then show us where the church got it wrong, or else your claim is restorationist and you don't have a better case than Mormons and Muslims.

    • opinion#3609

      You don't have a clue what that verse means, do you?

    • opinion#3610

      Indulgences for one. Purgatory and the metaphysics involved. Work based salvation. The emphasis on traditions and generations. Lots of pageantry with no evidence it was practiced by the first Christians. Various extrabiblical doctrines and theology.

    • opinion#3611

      Your examples only exist in post schism Roman Catholicism. The Orthodox Church never had those problems, never had a reformation, and never needed one.

    • opinion#3612

      So 40000 denominations *fixed* the church? 😂

    • opinion#3613

      I can sorta agree, since there was a lot to consider as to why Luther didn't just reach out to Eastern Orthodoxy. But you guys also have that exclusive league with Catholicism and Coptic while excluding Protestants. There's a theological inconsistency there, something you claim your denominations have that Protestants don't.

  • opinion#3600

    The split came down to something simple. We watched what the orthodox and Catholics were doing, praying to their idols and asking dead people to pray for them, and realized we can just go straight to the source itself, Jesus Christ, and we chose that. It's not hard to understand. The Catholics once had 3 popes at once, which shows how confused they are, and the orthodox hide in caves praying to pictures of dead people while fighting over who the true church is. It's easy to see why people got fed up with their religion and left, saying let's focus on Christ and Christ only.

  • opinion#3599

    The way faith was practiced in 1517 wasn't how it was practiced in the 4th century. That's exactly why the reformation happened. The Protestant reformers were trying to return the church to its original form, and they were wrongly excommunicated for it.

  • opinion#3601

    It's not that it's a false gospel, it's that they persecuted and murdered anyone who challenged their false teachings about the gospel. It wasn't until the printing press came along, which happened to line up with the Reformation, that the Church backed off. Moral of the story: it's much harder to suppress an informed public. ❤️❤️