Orthodox view of family order: equal dignity, complementary roles, and feminism's challenge

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• − opinion#3307 20 likes at the source

  Why does this sound so protestant?

  • − opinion#3308 7 likes at the source

    It is super Protestant, and the umbrella diagram is a famous visual from a Protestant cult led by a man named Bill Gothard. There are tons of documentaries about it, and I see his message of evil and hate is still spreading in the world even after he had to retire for raping young girls 😔. That's the danger of heresy, it spreads and can even infect the elect.
  • − opinion#3309 2 likes at the source

    I was going to say this, it's an IBLP graphic illustrating Bill Gothard's unbiblical hierarchy of domination in marriage, which is a major misrepresentation of Genesis and Ephesians. I've never come across the graphic or teachings in an Orthodox setting until this post.
  • − opinion#3310

    He may be an evil man but a broken clock is still right twice a day. The illustration is not heretic or evil. women and children are literally supposed to submit to the husband's/father's leadership while the man submits to them by laying down his life FIRST and in ways they are not expected to. Husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the Church. Read your Bible more. What's more demonic and heretic is a Christian supporting feminism/being a feminist.
  • − opinion#3311

    women and children are literally supposed to submit to the husband's/father's leadership while the man submits to them by laying down his life FIRST and in ways they are not expected to. Husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the Church. Read your Bible more. In Orthodoxy this hierarchy is not only valid but taught, and an illustration that attempts to show it (the family structure is so deep and meaningful it cannot be fully illustrated by us) is not evil just because it may be inspired by trad protestants.
• − opinion#3305 15 likes at the source

  Says the person using ai to generate "enlightening" orthodox content

  • − opinion#3312 3 likes at the source

    If something in the actual message contradicts Orthodox teaching, feel free to point it out..
• − opinion#3304 11 likes at the source

  You're not very different from Muslims.

  • − opinion#3313 4 likes at the source

    I understand your perspective a little better after seeing a black cat wearing a pentagram in your profile picture. 😅🤷‍♂️ And no, Orthodox Christianity and Islam have very different teachings on marriage. Islam traditionally permits a Muslim man to have up to four wives under certain conditions, while Christianity calls husband and wife to become "one flesh" (Matthew 19:5-6). Christian marriage is an exclusive union in which the husband is commanded to love his wife "as Christ loved the Church and gave Himself up for her" (Ephesians 5:25). That means sacrificial love: he is called to give himself for his wife, even to the point of laying down his life for her. So simply saying Orthodox Christians are "not very different from Muslims" ignores major theological differences between the two religions.
• − opinion#3299 10 likes at the source

  Why do religious and conservative people always fear those who stand up to injustice? Injustice they themselves ignore?

  • − opinion#3314

    because religious doesn't = good people lol most religious people are blind to the true spiritual battle. In fact once you start to talk about the spiritual battle they try to play it off like yeah that was in the past, that doesn't happen now. But the Bible clearly states that the end times will be like the times of Noah with hybrid humans and chimeras roaming the Earth.
  • − opinion#3315 1 likes at the source

    hey everyone look an atheist with an opinion
  • − opinion#3316 1 likes at the source

    then you're lost, go be a heretic somewhere else Latin.
  • − opinion#3317

    Catholic and not religious or conservative? Buddy 😂😂😂😂 Being religious is about following the Church without compromise. Conservative values are literally based in Christian morality.
  • − opinion#3318

    feminism was started by j3w!sh men & women who wanted to take advantage of women's problems, to reshape the economy entirely (making single income households hard to sustain, pushing women into the workforce, etc) while so many of the early feminists literally hated men, if you read their quotes. Criticising feminism is not doing a disservice to Christianity, quite the opposite. Yes, women had real problems at a certain point in history, primarily d-abúse and safety. The solution was better law, law enforcement, and CHRISTIAN religious standards (in Orthodox Christianity/Catholicism, you think men would be accepted or encouraged to abúse their wives, cheat on them and mistreat women?) and Christians were already starting to work to protect women, before feminism started as a movement and deceived even Christians (although protestants/evangelicals). Different waves brought different standards of empowerment and "freedom", and they've all led to the collapse and state of society we are in today. Abortion, s3xual immorality, leftist demonic agendas being pushed (women started voting and the majority of them vote for these policies, including illegal immigration that literally threaten their own safety) and what not. Women's cry for help could be answered by God, but when Christians couldn't recognise how demonic feminism is, and let feminism try and solve women's problems…
• − opinion#3300 10 likes at the source

  The third slide is called the "umbrella of authority" model and comes from a cult called the IBLP. Its leader, Bill Gothard, had inappropriate sexual relationships with underage girls.
• − opinion#3298 9 likes at the source

  Why are women placed just above children in the pile of umbrellas? I'm a Greek Orthodox woman and this post is disappointing. Male and female: He created THEM. I'm so tired of this submission trope. We want partnership in marriage and equality before the law.

  • − opinion#3319 2 likes at the source

    tired of submission trope? women and children are literally supposed to submit to the husband's/father's leadership while the man submits to them by laying down his life FIRST and in ways they are not expected to. Husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the Church. Read your Bible more
• − opinion#3306 9 likes at the source

  God made men and women equal, not opposites. We aren't competing for resources

  • − opinion#3320

    Yahweh Elohim did NOT make men ans women equal. Adam was created first, Eve 2nd. Adam was created from dirt,Eve from Adam. Adam was created for Yahweh, Eve for Adam. Adam was created to work Yahweh's Creation, Eve to help Adam. Eve was tempted by satan, Adam was tempted by Eve. Sin entered into the world through Adam, not Eve. Adam was instructed directly from Yahweh, Eve recived her instructions from Adam. Men are held to a higher standard by Yahweh. The Americanized church was feminized decades ago... biblical illiteracy is rampant.
• − opinion#3302 6 likes at the source

  Ask WHY women shout about "smashing patriarchy" and "my body my choice". There's a reason. It's a RE-action to abuse, bad treatment, rape and much more that harms women's body, mind and soul. So ask how to fix that? Modern women this way just want to restore balance. I'm not a fan of it either, but healing these traumas takes time and wisdom. God bless you
• − opinion#3303 6 likes at the source

  The upside down cross is the cross of St Peter
• − opinion#3301 2 likes at the source

  Great post! The sexual revolution and feminism from the 1960s have today reduced women's liberation and freedom, they've diminished the identity and value of woman! Feminism started for good reasons but has gone through changes for the worse. Just like Luther had good complaints about Catholicism but his movement now bears rotten fruit, feminism today only produces rotten fruit; TODAY: the west is completely confused about what a woman is, men can become women, they say they want to breastfeed and use female restrooms! Women are shown in soft porn constantly, from rap music to kim kardashian, women have lost their value and are more sexualised than ever, much like under Islam. Feminism has convinced so many women not to have kids or marry, and now they struggle with despair and loneliness. This is sick!
• − opinion#3296 1 likes at the source

  I don't think certain issues should be toyed with or taken lightly. I'm religious and I believe in the power of God. Radical feminism isn't good, because nothing radical is good. But feminism as a movement matters. Every year hundreds, even thousands of women are raped, beaten, humiliated, even murdered by their partners. Shouldn't we as a religious community care about that? The Bible says husbands should love their wives in return. Start your posts there. Start with abusive husbands. Otherwise people will interpret things however they want.
• − opinion#3294

  I don't get why we as Christians accept the idea that an upside down cross is satanic. For us it's just the symbol of St Peter, who was crucified upside down. Some people use it to mock Christianity, but mocking intent doesn't make the symbol itself wrong.
• − opinion#3295

  What you posted is true, it's in the Bible. But maybe think about when and where those words were written. Otherwise, is it a sin that we don't wear the clothes of that era? Is it a sin to follow today's fashion? It would help to understand those sayings if they first said what men must do to earn it. Sadly, practice is far from theory. Meanwhile women have to survive, with dignity and independence, in a world crushed by male authority. If feminism exists, it's because men failed to do their part.
• − opinion#3297

  I think the style of these posts comes off as hateful. Maybe that's not the intention, but the meme photos showing women as delusional temptresses invite hate and feed a historical, non-Christian narrative of domination. Happy to talk more privately. Spreading awareness about how certain worldviews are dangerous for Orthodox Christians is important, but this approach doesn't work because it 1) misrepresents feminism and 2) uses visual mockery that gets picked up by other, non-orthodox movements that actually want to degrade women. Thanks for clarifying your beliefs here, I'm not judging. I just think the sentiment of the posts doesn't match what you wrote in the caption or just explained. Hope that makes sense.