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Orthodox growth in America challenged by historical latinization and ecumenism

The author warns that certain practices in American Orthodox parishes, such as dog collars, kneeling on Sundays, omitting "catechumens depart," using the Latin calendar, infrequent confession, no veiling, women giving homilies, and not baptizing normatively, are gateways to false unity with heterodox Christians and joint prayer.

He traces this latinization to historical events: the 1596 Union of Brest, when Orthodox bishops in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth entered communion with Rome under political pressure; the Kiev Theological Academy founded by Saint Peter Mogila in 1615, which adopted scholastic Western methods and Latin as the principal language of instruction because of intense missionary efforts; the influence of this Western education on Moscow, contributing to Peter the Great's abolition of the patriarchate and creation of the Holy Synod; the 1923 Constantinople council convened by Patriarch Meletios IV, a Freemason, which proposed reforms including married clergy after ordination, removal of vestments and beards, shortened services, and relaxed fasts, but only the calendar change to the Gregorian calendar passed, despite its prior anathematization three times in the 16th century; Patriarch Athenagoras, also a Freemason, pursued ecumenical dialogue with the Pope, leading the Holy Mountain to cease commemorating him; and Metropolitan Philaret of New York, who is incorrupt, presiding over the 1971 ROCOR Synod against ecumenism, warning against practices like kneeling on Sundays, dog collars, shortened liturgies, pushing people away from baptism, lacking an iconostasis, using the Catholic kiss of peace, treating the Eucharist without seriousness, and installing pews. The author argues that tradition in its entirety must be resisted against latinization.

Key moments

  1. 0:00 Orthodoxy is growing massively in the United States, but this growth is frightening because the root of religious compromise almost always stems from the goal of political power.
  2. 0:00 In 1589 the Moscow Patriarchate was granted autocephaly while Orthodox Ruthenians faced hardships under the Catholic Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, with restricted political power for nobles and bishops and intense missionary efforts from papal Protestants.
  3. 0:34 The Polish king feared Moscow's political power, and through demonic temptation the Union of Brest in 1596 led many Orthodox bishops to enter communion with Rome while keeping their liturgical traditions and dogmas, a contradictory move that the opposition resisted under heavy persecution.
  4. 0:34 In 1615 Saint Peter Mogila established the Kiev Theological Academy, which used scholastic Western argumentation and Latin as the principal language of instruction because of the massive missionary efforts they faced.
  5. 1:04 This Western influence reached Moscow and led to Peter the Great taking control of the church, abolishing the Moscow Patriarchate, and establishing the Holy Synod, further Westernizing state-controlled institutions.
  6. 1:34 In 1923 a council in Constantinople convened by Patriarch Meletios IV, a Freemason, proposed allowing clergy to marry after ordination, removing vestments and beards, shortening services, and relaxing fasts; none passed except the calendar change from the Julian to the Western festival calendar, which had been anathematized three times in the 16th century.
  7. 2:04 Patriarch Athenagoras of Constantinople, also a Freemason, described the Orthodox and Papist churches as sister churches and attempted to lift excommunications when meeting with the Pope, causing the Holy Mountain to cease commemorating him during the liturgy.
  8. 2:41 Metropolitan Philaret of New York, who is incorrupt, presided over the 1971 ROCOR Synod against Ecumenism and warned of practices such as kneeling on Sundays, dog collars, shortened liturgies, pushing people away from baptism, lacking an iconostasis, using the Catholic handshake kiss of peace, treating the Eucharist without seriousness, and installing pews, all fruits of ecumenism that must be addressed before Orthodoxy in America can truly grow.
35 opinions in the discussion 21 participants, 14 replies to each other The opinion with the most support Guess what all these saints who pointed out the Latin captivity and spoke out against ecumenism did? That's right, they baptized everyone. Read the discussion
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  • opinion#3515

    Guess what all these saints who pointed out the Latin captivity and spoke out against ecumenism did? That's right, they baptized everyone.

    • opinion#3520

      It's 1% in the US and shrinking globally, down to 8% of Christians from 15% in 1900. About 2% of the global population. Why lie to people?

    • opinion#3521

      Practicing numbers are up, overall numbers are very slightly down. As for the 1900 claim, this little thing called the "Russian Revolution" happened and killed what would be about a sixth of all Orthodox Christians on earth today.

    • opinion#3522

      Global population goes up, so look at percentages (down). The Ukraine war has killed 2% so far. Your losses outpace gains and people leaving. You can be mad at me or ask why the video poster lies for clout.

    • opinion#3523

      If you'd bothered to read my comment, your answer is right there. 30-50 million Orthodox Christians were martyred shortly after 1900, a little under half the global Orthodox population at the time. So yeah, it takes a while for birth rates and conversions to catch up with that. Any other brilliant questions?

    • opinion#3524

      It's been 126 years. All the surveys say people just leave Orthodoxy for plain agnosticism. It's not murders. Go read.

    • opinion#3525

      I have. 90%+ of converts have stayed in the Church over the last thirty years. Can you say the same for the RCC? Nah, we both know that's not the case. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

    • opinion#3526

      Catholics are growing numerically and as a percentage of Christianity. In a few years you all won't even exist outside of Russia. But sure, keep going with your closeted Protestantism.

    • opinion#3527

      Yes, yes, numbers are everything, my bad. On a serious note, all I did was correct misinformation you were spreading. I never claimed we were suddenly going to be bigger than the Roman Catholic Church or anything.

    • opinion#3528

      Well, have the same energy for the video maker. Orthodox are walking into the processing plant and he's saying it's all growing, which is false.

  • opinion#3511

    It's funny how you love to blame Rome for all the problems in Orthodoxy instead of owning up to your own church's faults. It's honestly disgusting.

    • opinion#3529

      That's not what he's doing. Rome is actually the best apologetic there is for the Orthodox Church. What he's talking about is just historical fact, and sorry if that offends you.

    • opinion#3530

      Do you know nothing about the vile things the Uniates did?

    • opinion#3531

      Dude WHAT? Are we really going down the David Wood boomer route of "you're all Russian agents"? You have a problem with NWO communism and you're Catholic? Go read Gaudium et Spes and then get back to me.

    • opinion#3532

      And you're a Protestant who backs white nationalism. Even though Orthodoxy comes from, let me check my notes, the Middle East and brown people.

  • opinion#3514

    Here comes the papist/heretic trying to piety signal "you orthodox are mean and disgusting human beings". Cope and seethe.

    • opinion#3533

      This is exactly why I became Catholic. Too many ex-Protestants lie and act like Orthodoxy is just some Apostolic Protestantism. This guy lies the most about population numbers and history. He has zero qualifications and even Orthodox priests tell him he's in error.

  • opinion#3500

    Try making a post without bringing up Catholicism: apparently impossible.

  • opinion#3502

    Really, "Protestant Catholics"? Sir, can you tell us what exactly the Roman Catholic Church had to "protest" against the Orthodox about?

  • opinion#3513

    The calendar you're talking about is the Revised Julian calendar, not the Gregorian one, and it's not covered by the anathemas you mention. And by the way, the "1583 one" is a forgery, something even old calendarists recognize.

  • opinion#3516

    The Orthodox have never recognized universal jurisdiction of the Pope of Old Rome. Also, Rome forbids you from proselytizing us, homeboy!

  • opinion#3518

    Read Ut Unum Sint, thank me later, since I'm saving you from disobeying JPII the Quran kisser. I've read the councils and actually studied canon law a bit, which is why I'm telling you to do the same. Primacy is not the same as universal jurisdiction, this isn't hard. That's why Bartholomew of Constantinople can hear appeals from other bishops but not interfere directly in their sees. Read the ancient councils and you'll find the same about Old Rome.

  • opinion#3508

    My church has pews, so what's wrong with it?

  • opinion#3510

    Latin captivity is very overblown by a lot of people. Sure, there was some influence, nobody can deny that, but this period isn't somehow hopelessly useless and empty of binding documents, as many claim when they say things like "logically speaking, this points you toward a kind of Protestantism, by placing a gap in the Orthodox theological tradition which only your group manages to span by skipping the interval of Latin captivity" and going back to the "original sources." That's from Letter 136 of Fr. Seraphim Rose. See how far off you can get by making sweeping generalizations about "Catholic influence" or "Latin captivity"? The whole idea of "Latin captivity" is pushed by Schmemann and his kind precisely to destroy the idea that Orthodox tradition continued unbroken through the centuries. DO NOT FALL INTO THAT TRAP! There are great theologians of the last several centuries who used expressions one might want to see improved, but that doesn't mean they were in "Latin captivity" or should be dismissed. They just don't use those expressions in the same context as the Latins, so the issue isn't really important. Also from Letter 136, Fr. Seraphim Rose.

  • opinion#3503

    Orthodoxy is only about 1% in the US and has been shrinking worldwide for the last 126 years. Why lie to people? Google is free.

  • opinion#3504

    There is no Latin captivity. Also, the Greeks who only accept chrismation and the Russians who only accept baptism are both wrong by the canons. It used to be handled case by case. Now the Greeks and Russians just want to have a pissing contest and plant their flag on either chrismation or baptism, when historically both were used depending on the individual case of receiving a heretic.

  • opinion#3506

    Just like how the Russian Orthodox Church forced Ukrainian Catholics to submit to Russia and is forcing Ukrainian Christians into a Russian Orthodox puppet church, otherwise their baptisms are declared invalid.

  • opinion#3509

    Both of our churches have problems, but what we should do is fix the problems and be like the saints.

  • opinion#3499

    The 1923 council definitely had serious problems, and the Constantinople Patriarch was corrupt, no question. But the new calendar is not the Gregorian calendar. And the old calendar isn't somehow holy by nature either. It was literally made by Julius Caesar and just makes every fourth year a leap year. The Revised Julian calendar is actually more astronomically accurate than the Gregorian one because it adds extra rules for leap years. The new calendar probably would have been adopted more widely if not for the council's other problems, like several churches not being represented. Even St Tikhon was initially going to adopt the Revised Julian calendar until his bishops pushed back over the council's issues. The Paschal season stayed on the old calculations for everyone so all churches could celebrate Pascha together, but technically those calculations don't match the lunar cycle. So the Peter and Paul fast being shorter or sometimes missing on the new calendar isn't some evil ecumenist plot, it's a result of the Paschal cycle concession. Clearly both the Julian and Revised Julian calendars are blessed. For example, on old calendar Transfiguration a cloud dances over Mt Tabor, and this past St Nicholas feast on the new calendar, the oil lamp in front of his icon at my church started swinging on its own during the Liturgy. The Patriarch no longer being commemorated on Mt Athos…

  • opinion#3505

    Yes, I'm proud of it. Greek Catholics are our brothers. It was a great idea by the Poles. You support Russia and that pathetic KGB agent, the so-called patriarch Kirill, a pagan and a false believer. Russia is a great eastern whore that destroyed religion during the communist era.

  • opinion#3512

    The Latin influence on Russia is pretty interesting. The choir, the icons, the theological seminaries.

  • opinion#3507

    The new calendar church won't venerate St Philaret because he was so opposed to ecumenism and because he gave communion to the old calendar Greek priests and bishops who were left without leadership after the calendar change and the shift into open ecumenism.

  • opinion#3517

    "All must be converted" - Vatican II. You seem to think your misunderstanding of a statement outweighs an actual Vatican Council. Yes they do, primacy is universal, go actually read the Councils. And contrary to what this video poster thinks about preserving "white culture", Orthodoxy comes from brown Middle Easterners.

  • opinion#3519

    You're trying to cite JP2 against a doctrine he explicitly affirmed. All that shows is your misinterpretation and failure to understand what he's saying. I've read those documents and papal authority is very clear from the beginning, from Christ to Peter.

  • opinion#3501

    Peter Mohila, also known as Petru Movila, was born in Suceava, he was Romanian. A big chunk of what is now Ukraine was land inhabited by Romanian people. Russia took our territories piece by piece, colonized other ethnic groups, and forced people to speak Russian. The Ruthenians were Romanians forced to adopt a Slavic language. Some were forced into Greek-Catholicism. In Romania, Greek-Catholicism was imposed by the Austrian General Bucow with the army. They demolished hundreds of churches and monasteries and killed many priests and monks.