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Speaker links denial of ethnic distinctions in resurrection to Originist heresy

What the video says

The speaker asks whether the presence of every tribe and tongue in the eschaton implies that human distinctions such as ethnicity and sex are erased in the resurrection, turning people into "grey goo." He identifies the view that identity and biology are lost as the Originist heresy.

He warns that suggesting the biological characteristics of the resurrection do not matter is Gnostic and Docetic. He argues that Christ assumed universal human nature through a specific Hebrew ethnicity, so if ethnic distinctions disappear, the prophecies concerning every tribe and nation cannot be fulfilled.

Key moments

  1. The speaker notes that every tribe, tongue, nation, and people group have members in the eschaton.
  2. He questions whether this means distinctions are wiped away in the resurrection, making people "grey goo."
  3. He asks if males become non-male in the eternal state.
  4. He identifies the erasure of identity and biology as the Originist heresy.
  5. He warns that claiming resurrection biology does not matter is Gnostic and Docetic.
  6. He connects this to Nestorianism by noting Christ assumed human nature through a specific Hebrew ethnicity.
  7. He argues that if ethnic distinctions vanish, the prophecies regarding every tribe and nation cannot be fulfilled.
  8. He concludes this line of thought easily moves into Gnosticism.

The speaker notes that every tribe, tongue, nation, and people group have members in the eschaton. He questions whether this means distinctions are wiped away in the resurrection, making people "grey goo." He asks if males become non-male in the eternal state. He identifies the erasure of identity and biology as the Originist heresy.

He warns that claiming resurrection biology does not matter is Gnostic and Docetic. He connects this to Nestorianism by noting Christ assumed human nature through a specific Hebrew ethnicity. He argues that if ethnic distinctions vanish, the prophecies regarding every tribe and nation cannot be fulfilled.

He concludes this line of thought easily moves into Gnosticism. The original post affirms that ethnicities and people groups are real and that denying this has dangerous outcomes, stating this was not an issue until very recently.

Main points

  • The speaker questions whether eschatological unity erases ethnic and sexual distinctions
  • He identifies the erasure of identity and biology as the Originist heresy
  • He warns that dismissing resurrection biology is Gnostic and Docetic
  • He argues Christ assumed human nature through a specific Hebrew ethnicity
  • He contends that vanishing ethnic distinctions would prevent fulfillment of prophecies about every tribe and nation
19 opinions in the discussion 14 participants, 13 replies to each other The opinion with the most support The replacement of Whites in their native countries will be looked back on in history as one of the greatest evils of all time. Knowing the church has a responsibility to call this out and fight it, and isn't doing it, hurts very deeply. Read the discussion
34 comments at the source Original on Instagram

Discussion · 19

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  • opinion#1798

    The replacement of Whites in their native countries will be looked back on in history as one of the greatest evils of all time. Knowing the church has a responsibility to call this out and fight it, and isn't doing it, hurts very deeply.

  • opinion#1797

    I'm guessing this is a response to father moses.

    • opinion#1799

      What did Father Moses actually say? I can't find anything.

    • opinion#1800

      Oh really? I watched it and all he said was "racism is bad" and "the church is one body."

    • opinion#1801

      You can fight to preserve white culture without hating other races.

    • opinion#1802

      Only if someone did NOT watch what fr moses said and jumped to false conclusions like an idiot.

    • opinion#1803

      Moses called maximos a white nationalist for posting a video with the same arguments jay is making. It snowballed a little bit from there.

    • opinion#1804

      That's because max follows patriot front and happens to repost a lot of patriot front posts, which is a white supremacist group. These dudes are literally on record saying they don't care about preserving the christian faith in america if it means expelling minorities from america. It's genuinely stupid, and no genuine follower of Christ can back a group that holds these beliefs and still maintain salvation.

    • opinion#1805

      Max followed the wrong group and made some solid points unrelated to patriot front, so moses went on to make borderline gnostic talking points that line up with globalist zionism. Moses should engage Jay's and Maximos's arguments instead of whatever the heck this stuff is.

  • opinion#1795

    Statements of Saints and Bishops > opinions of priests

  • opinion#1796

    How does any of this help spread the gospel or restore the church? If anything, pushing this emphasis on ethnic background just fuels division and bickering among brethren of the faith.

    • opinion#1806

      It spreads because droves of White men are coming to a Church that encourages the preservation of their heritage, shut up.

    • opinion#1807

      Ok, that's great that white men are converting to christianity, even though white men should already be christian given their ethnic background. But this sentiment that the Church "belongs" to one ethnic group is 1 wrong and 2 seeds division between brethren of the Faith. I'm not saying converting or taking up ethnic pride is bad/wrong, since many other groups do the same, like spaniards and african americans. But like David wrote in Proverbs 10, "Where many words are spoken, sin is not absent, but whoever restrains his tongue is prudent." I think if we as christians spent more time on things like abortion and maintaining the nuclear family we'd be better off. God bless.

    • opinion#1808

      You're a guest in this White country, so act like one and keep your opinions to yourself.

    • opinion#1809

      Maybe this doesn't hit you personally, or maybe you even gain something from it, so it's easy for you to wave it off as something we shouldn't discuss. But having clergy tell us we don't exist and have no right to preserve our nations is inappropriate, at best. I'm thankful for Jay and the content he puts out.

    • opinion#1810

      Right, but that falls apart when you actually dig into race. I have no problem with preserving American culture, my problem is with the idea of it being only a white nation.

    • opinion#1811

      Who exactly claimed it's only a white nation?

  • opinion#1794

    Father Moses said racism is wrong. What you're bringing up has nothing to do with what he actually said in the video.

  • opinion#1793

    Did anyone here actually listen to what Fr. Moses said in that video, or are you just defending your prideful political stance and hunting for motives to accuse people of ethnophyletism? Because of this kind of thing we get a resurgence of legionarism, which the EO Church condemns.