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Did St. Gregory Palamas teach Christians and Muslims worship the same God?

The post responds to a claim that Orthodox Christians and Muslims worship the same God, citing Saint Gregory Palamas. The claim asserts that Palamas observed Muslim prayers are directed to God, that Muslims have a deficient understanding but the same object of worship, that Palamas sought common ground by noting Muslim belief in Christ's future judgment, that converts to Orthodoxy do not renounce Allah, that a twelfth-century anathema against the "God of Muhammad" was removed, and that five living patriarchs profess the same God.

The author argues this misreads Palamas. In 1354, while held captive by Ottoman Turks, Palamas engaged in theological discussions with Muslims. His purpose was to lead them to the fullness of truth revealed in Jesus Christ, not to validate Islamic theology. Three distinctions are presented. First, historical context: Palamas used common ground to communicate the Christian faith, not to suggest doctrinal equivalence.

Second, the Holy Trinity: Orthodox Christianity confesses the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, while Islam explicitly rejects the Trinity and the divinity of Christ. John 5:23 states that whoever does not honour the Son does not honour the Father. Third, God's essence and energies: Palamas defended the Orthodox teaching that we participate in God's uncreated energies while His essence remains incomprehensible, a framework absent in Islam.

The author also notes that the Arabic word "Allah" is used by Arabic Christians and does not establish theological agreement, and that the removal of the anathema was not a declaration of shared doctrine; condemnation of Muhammad's teachings remained. Palamas acknowledged common ground to proclaim Christ, because Christ declares in John 14:6 that no one comes to the Father except through Him.

The theological gap is fundamental: directing prayers to an entity does not mean sharing Orthodox revelation.

Key moments

  1. 0:00 The initial claim states that Orthodox Christians and Muslims worship the same God, citing St. Gregory Palamas's observation that Muslim prayers are directed to God and that Muslims have a deficient understanding but the same object of worship.
  2. 0:33 The claim continues that Palamas sought common ground by noting Muslims believe Christ will judge mankind so they should invoke Christ, that converts to Orthodoxy do not renounce Allah, that a 12th century anathema against 'God of Muhammad' was removed, and that five living patriarchs profess Christians and Muslims worship the same God.
  3. 1:03 The speaker objects that this misreads Palamas, who was captured by Ottoman Turks in 1354 and engaged Muslims to direct them to Christ as the eternal Word of God, not to affirm Islamic theology as sufficient.
  4. 1:35 Orthodox Christianity confesses one God in three persons while Islam rejects the Trinity and Christ's divinity, and John 5:23 states that not honoring the Son means not honoring the Father, a difference concerning God's very identity.
  5. 2:07 Palamas's essence-energies distinction teaches that we know God through uncreated energies; Islam lacks this theology of divine participation, so directing prayers to an entity does not mean sharing Orthodox revelation.
  6. 2:37 The word 'Allah' means God and is used by Arabic Christians; the 12th century anathema removal was not a declaration of theological agreement, and condemnation of Muhammad's teachings remained.
  7. 2:37 Palamas used common ground to proclaim Christ, not to say rejecting the Trinity and Christ's divinity makes no difference, since Christ declares in John 14:6 that no one comes to the Father except through Him.
16 opinions in the discussion 9 participants, 8 replies to each other The opinion with the most support You've got three persons, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, each described as fully God, each with their own will, each doing things the others don't. The Son prays to the Father. The Son dies; the Father doesn't. That's not one mind, that's three. Calling that 'one… Read the discussion
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  • opinion#3555

    You've got three persons, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, each described as fully God, each with their own will, each doing things the others don't. The Son prays to the Father. The Son dies; the Father doesn't. That's not one mind, that's three. Calling that 'one God' only works if you quietly redefine 'one' halfway through the sentence from 'one being' to 'one substance', which is just a philosophical patch job to keep the math from contradicting itself.

    • opinion#3558

      Before you use Bible verses to prove Jesus is God, you first have to prove the book you're quoting is historically reliable and preserved correctly. You can't quote John, Paul or Matthew and expect me to accept the conclusion before the source is proven. So first, bring manuscript evidence from as close to Jesus' lifetime as possible. Show me today's text matches the earliest form. Show me the chain of preservation inside and outside the Christian tradition, and why I should trust that later copyists, councils, translators and church authorities didn't shape the text. Also bring actual eyewitness evidence. Who saw what? What were their names? Direct eyewitnesses or people reporting hearsay? Who wrote the Gospels? Can you prove the authors were actually Matthew, Mark, Luke and John from Jesus' time, or is that later church attribution? And if these witnesses prove Jesus is God, explain the differences between the Gospels. Why do they tell and arrange events differently, and why do Jesus' words differ between them? Which wording is the exact original, and how do you know? My point is simple: you can't use the Bible to prove Jesus is God until you prove its preservation, authorship, eyewitness reliability and textual transmission. Otherwise you're arguing in a circle: the Bible says Jesus is God, therefore Jesus is God, because the Bible says so. That's not proof, that's…

    • opinion#3559

      Holy Larp. I get that you're trying to understand it, but that's not how it works, and I don't even think you understand what one is. One Essence is One God, in 3 persons, united as one but separate in persons. If I said they're like body parts, that's modalism, and saying they're exactly the same is also modalism. You somehow make God logical, which is itself illogical. To understand what one is, pretend someone believes God has a body. You'd say they believe in one God but also in partialism, where each body part of the "god" has its own role. Do they still believe in one God? You'd probably say yes. We don't believe that, but it's clear that One God sent His own and only Son to die for our sins. He became human while still fully God and fully man, and if that weren't the case, human life would be meaningless without theosis.

    • opinion#3560

      In the time of Jesus, son of Mary, the name of the Creator in Aramaic and Syriac was Alaha/Elah (ܐܰܠܳܗܳܐ), the direct linguistic root matching the Arabic word for God. Aramaic, Syriac and Arabic are sister Semitic languages sharing most religious roots and vocabulary. The word "Muslim" also ties into those common Semitic roots, meaning submission, surrender, peace and perfection. Unification of the Creator. The prophets' main task was calling people to unify God and worship Him alone without partner, avoiding polytheism and tyrants. Monotheism of worship: God alone deserves supplication, hope, fear, sacrifice and vows, with no mediator or partner. Did I mention Muhammad, Ibrahim, Musa, Noah or Adam? No, I only mentioned the date. So where's the distortion of a liar?

    • opinion#3561

      Nothing to do with the comments, so I have nothing to say to you.

    • opinion#3562

      You're a heretic and you haven't proved you have one god, and also Jesus is not god

    • opinion#3563

      Christianity truly doesn't believe in one God. 3 isn't one

    • opinion#3564

      When Jesus isn't god, where is your evidence? The Bible isn't evidence. Want to debate me?

    • opinion#3565

      If you have no idea what you're talking about, just stay quiet.

  • opinion#3554

    In the time of Jesus, son of Mary, the name of the Creator in Aramaic and Syriac was Alaha/Elah (ܐܰܠܳܗܳܐ), the direct linguistic root matching the Arabic word for God. Aramaic, Syriac and Arabic are sister Semitic languages sharing most religious roots and vocabulary. The word "Muslim" also ties into those common Semitic roots, meaning submission, surrender, peace and perfection. Unification of the Creator. The prophets' main task was calling people to unify God and worship Him alone without partner, avoiding polytheism and tyrants. Monotheism of worship: God alone deserves supplication, hope, fear, sacrifice and vows, with no mediator or partner. Did I mention Muhammad, Ibrahim, Musa, Noah or Adam? No, I only mentioned the date. So where's the distortion of a liar?

  • opinion#3556

    Those little Protestant cults are not going to disprove Eastern Orthodoxy. The reason our saints said what they said was to bring people to Christ. You won't get people to follow by being rude and calling them cultists. Sorry, but Protestants make Muslims look like geniuses.

  • opinion#3553

    You keep saying 3 Gods with zero proof. Show me one non-heretical source, not rebuked by the councils, showing Christianity believed in 3 Gods. If you can't understand 1 God in 3 persons and instead say 3 gods with no evidence, that's crazy. And when I explain the essence and energies distinction to you, that God's essence (ousia) and energies (energeia) show how God stays strictly one undivided Deity while existing as three Persons and actively interacting with creation, that's basic stuff. If you can't get that, I have no hope you'll understand how God is one. We can barely understand God, because God is God. You claim we can understand God even when He does something that wouldn't make sense to you.

  • opinion#3552

    They can't even grasp that the word "God" doesn't mean just one thing, which is ironically the same word-collapse Muslims use to claim we worship three Gods. If they reject the Logos, and we worship God through the revelation of the Logos made incarnate, we simply cannot say they worship the same God. They lack the one bridge to God and the window to God because they reject the incarnation.

  • opinion#3550

    Back when I was a Protestant, I never imagined attacks against Christ could go this far. Protestants arguing over "should we baptize?" or "should we ordain women pastors?" is honestly nothing. In Holy Orthodoxy people are literally trying to tear down the Body of Christ and the men who helped build it. Crazy.

  • opinion#3551

    Do not insult what others invoke besides God, or they might insult God out of hostility without knowledge. Every community finds its own deeds pleasing, but all return to their Lord and He will tell them what they did. The word "Allah" in the three Semitic languages shares one Semitic origin, just pronounced differently per language: in Arabic, Allah as the proper name of God; in Biblical Aramaic, Elaha (אלהא) meaning God; in Syriac, Aloha/Allaha. All come from a common root meaning God. Abba (ܐܒܐ) literally means father, and Jesus used it in prayer, like in Mark 14:36 in Gethsemane, to express his intimate relationship with the Father. Alaha (ܐܠܗܐ) is the basic Aramaic word for God, a linguistic sister of the Arabic "Allah" and Hebrew "Elohim".

  • opinion#3557

    Yes, the Arabs in the age of ignorance knew the Creator and knew Abraham, but they set up idols as intermediaries. Historical and Islamic sources show the religion of pre-Islamic Arabia wasn't denial of the Creator but a distortion of the monotheism Abraham brought. The Arabs acknowledged God as creator, provider and manager of the universe, swore by Him in serious moments, and named their children "Abdullah". They didn't worship idols as creators or providers but took them as intercessors to bring them closer to God. In great calamities at sea or on land they'd abandon their idols and pray to God alone. They proudly traced themselves to Abraham and Ishmael, seeing themselves as heirs of his religion and protectors of his Sacred House, and kept remnants of his religion like pilgrimage, circling the Kaaba, honoring sacred months, circumcision and hospitality. But they added pagan practices, like a naked circuit or associating idols with God, after Amr bin Lahi Al-Khuza'i brought idol worship to Mecca.