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Orthodox life is intentionally inconvenient; conversion requires deep roots, not arguments

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The speaker addresses inquirers and catechumens coming from Protestantism, explaining that the Orthodox life is intentionally inconvenient. Fasting, prayer, prostrations, and standing through services are not designed to be easy; this inconvenience is part of how Christ changes a person through self-denial and cross-bearing. Converts must know exactly why they are becoming Orthodox and build a solid case for the church's authority, the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the efficacy of baptism for salvation, and the honor due to holy tradition.

The initial excitement of conversion will fade, so the foundation must be deeper than finding Orthodoxy countercultural. The speaker warns that argument will not bring loved ones into the faith. Instead, converts should answer questions with gentleness, love, and respect, while the primary witness is a life that becomes more patient, humble, forgiving, and prayerful.

If conversion only makes a person more argumentative, that is a poor witness; but if Christ is truly formed in them, that speaks louder than a hundred debates, as Christ said to let your light shine so others see good works and glorify the Father. The goal is to become the kind of Christian the Orthodox Church claims to produce, echoing St. Ignatius of Antioch: not merely to be called a Christian but actually to be one.

Converts should speak with their spiritual father about navigating relationships and not rely only on internet advice.

Key moments

  1. The Orthodox life is inconvenient in a good way, fasting, praying, prostrations, standing for liturgy, and this inconvenience is part of what changes a person, because Christ called us to deny ourselves and take up the cross, which was never meant to be convenient.
  2. Converts must know why they are choosing Orthodoxy and build an airtight case for the church's authority, the Eucharist as Christ's body and blood, baptism as efficacious for salvation, and the honor due to holy tradition, because the novelty wears off and a deeper foundation is needed.
  3. No one is argued into the faith; questions should be answered with gentleness, love, and respect, but the primary witness is a life becoming more patient, humble, forgiving, and prayerful, more like Christ.
  4. If conversion only makes a person more argumentative, that is a poor witness; but if Christ is truly formed in them, that speaks louder than a hundred debates, as Christ said to let your light shine so others see good works and glorify the Father.
  5. The goal is to become the kind of Christian the Orthodox Church claims to produce, echoing St. Ignatius of Antioch: not merely to be called a Christian but actually to be one.
  6. Converts should speak with their spiritual father about navigating relationships and not rely only on internet advice.
12 opinions in the discussion 11 participants, 8 replies to each other The opinion with the most support I'm Roman Catholic and I love my Orthodox brothers and sisters. Can't wait for our churches to be out of schism someday. We are the two lungs of the apostolic church. Peace and blessings to you all. Read the discussion
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  • opinion#2057

    I'm Roman Catholic and I love my Orthodox brothers and sisters. Can't wait for our churches to be out of schism someday. We are the two lungs of the apostolic church. Peace and blessings to you all.

    • opinion#2058

      My brother in humanity, understand one thing: we will never unite, you and us, until perhaps the return of our Lord and God Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, to whom be glory. The Pope of Rome has not only drifted from our Orthodox way of thinking, he has invented a Christianity of his own. We don't even agree with you on how to understand the Holy Trinity, so what about the other doctrines? We can coexist as fellow human beings, but in matters of faith we won't flatter you or compromise the truth. We will speak it openly and directly to your face.

    • opinion#2059

      Read that guy's reply, man. Check a liturgy out and come home maybe.

    • opinion#2060

      The argument is scripture, buddy. The Roman papacy was never mentioned by Christ or by our early church fathers, and neither was the Filioque. It was a Roman-added doctrine that violated the councils. May God guide you to the truth. ☦️

    • opinion#2061

      let's all speak with gentleness, humility and respect, even when it's not shown to us first, brother, because "a dead man takes no offense" 🫶

    • opinion#2062

      Amen brother. If only the others in this thread were here to spread love instead of division. They talk to me like I'm a disbeliever, a Muslim, or a heretic. This is exactly the rhetoric we were warned about. A house divided falls.

    • opinion#2063

      i agree brother, but let's also work on our own humility and sanctification to Christ despite our brothers. let's be an encouragement to them in love, and remember the saying, "them today, me tomorrow." God bless you greatly brother, i encourage you in the love of Christ Jesus our Lord and the Gospel to the lost 🫶

    • opinion#2064

      Being united would be amazing! I just don't see how, given the adoption of a pope as head of the church. Orthodox believe Christ is the head. Christ chose 12 as elders, not 1. Peter himself calls himself a "fellow elder" (1 Peter 5:1). And the Eucharist, with leavened bread representing the living body of Christ, was the way from the beginning until the 7th century, when Catholics started experimenting with unleavened bread over crumbs and such. Sadly I doubt the original standard can be restored by Catholics now after going their own way so long. And the Orthodox will definitely never accept a man taking Christ's place as head.

    • opinion#2065

      In the Middle Ages, the Roman church even killed Orthodox monks...

  • opinion#2055

    Advice for new converts: please take it one step at a time. There's 2000 years of tradition and history and if you dive in head first you will burn out. This is what the Holy Synod of Bishops of the OCA has been discussing lately. God Bless ☦️

  • opinion#2054

    This message is exactly why I became Orthodox, because I don't rely only on my own reading of divine revelation, scripture or matters of the heart. I seek real guidance from my Priest and community, and none of it comes from self-ambition, but from turning away from the self entirely.

  • opinion#2056

    My first liturgy was wonderful but hard, standing 2 hrs on a bad knee from football. But after a month my knee got better and standing got easier, and now I even stand when the devout older Greek women sit down. I've been Orthodox for a year now and I'm so glad I converted.