Fifteen saintly quotes condemn ecumenism as betrayal of Christ and Orthodoxy

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• − opinion#768 14 likes at the source

  When we stand before God and He asks why His bride was divided, are we going to answer, "but they used a different number of fingers to make the sign of the cross! How could your grace possibly overcome that?"

  • − opinion#770

    Aren't we divided because of deep heresies and untruths? And aren't we also judged on whether we believe and promote heresies?
  • − opinion#771 2 likes at the source

    Answer me this. If at the end, standing before the judgement seat, it turns out something you always believed was actually untrue and heretical, should you be denied eternal life? Or is perfect, exact understanding required? There's an orthodox group that says all other orthodox are going to hell just because they use a different liturgical calendar. What if their calendar turns out to be the correct one? Can't God's grace overcome this?
  • − opinion#772

    So you accept Vatican 1 and 2 doctrine? A thousand years of RC theology that differs from Orthodox theology. The saints of the RC church? Do you believe those things are true? Because that's what you're agreeing with if the Orthodox unify with the RC. Have you thought about any of this?
  • − opinion#773

    Respectfully, that's not a good question. Our differences with people from other faiths are more than just how they do the sign of the cross. The differences were serious enough that our holy ecumenical councils anathematized people who persisted in those heresies.
  • − opinion#774 2 likes at the source

    I'm not catholic and I strongly disapprove of Vatican 2. But when a catholic lay person who believes in Jesus Christ for the salvation of their sins dies, are you telling me they go to hell because their name wasn't on an orthodox church membership list? All I see is arrogance and pride. The Matthewites of the orthodox church say YOU are going to hell because you use a changed liturgical calendar. What if their calendar is the correct one? So I'll ask again: when you stand before the judgement seat and discover something you thought was true was actually wrong, do you deserve eternal death for that, or will God's grace make up for your lack of perfect understanding?
  • − opinion#775

    No, it's an EXCELLENT question. The Matthewites of the orthodox church claim they use the original liturgical calendar, and that you (other orthodox) are going to hell for using a different one. If at the judgement seat it turns out they had the original correct calendar, do you believe you'll go to eternal punishment for that, or can the grace of the Lord overcome such misunderstandings and lack of knowledge? Or does your knowledge and understanding have to be perfect for God to accept you?
  • − opinion#776 1 likes at the source

    10 virgins, all pure, but only 5 go to heaven, because only 5 have their oil lamps full. Those whose lamps are full of The Holy Spirit go to heaven. The entire Orthodox faith teaches this; the whole point of our faith is acquiring The Holy Spirit. The Roman Catholics decided to break off in 1054, so they are no longer a successor of The Holy Spirit (through its clergy and sacraments), which was given at Pentecost when the church was established. CUT YOURSELF OFF FROM THE APOSTOLIC CHURCH GIVEN TO THE APOSTLES ON PENTECOST AND YOU ARE NO LONGER A SUCCESSOR OF THE HOLY SPIRIT (APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION). I no longer commune with any churches associated with Patriarch Bartholomew, but I know full well that if I leave The Orthodox Church I am not saved. I've joined a different jurisdiction that hasn't turned its back on its own people. Apostolic succession is a main teaching of the faith and one of the main reasons converts join us. Only The Orthodox Church is the living church, alive with the Holy Spirit. RC forfeited that in 1054, and what have the fruits of the RC church been since? Pedophilia and masonry. And now you want that in our church too? Why? Only The Orthodox Church is living and indwelling with The Holy Spirit, bestowing on us (through the Sacraments) what The Apostles received on Pentecost.
  • − opinion#777

    Only the Church that was given to The Apostles on Pentecost can save you. Only that church can bestow The Holy Spirit through its Sacraments. Only that church received The Holy Spirit on the day it was established. Start a church outside that original church and you are no longer the church. Basic Orthodox Christian teaching: Apostolic Succession.
• − opinion#767 12 likes at the source

  Sorry, but this is such hateful speech. And I'm saying that as an orthodox person myself.

  • − opinion#778 2 likes at the source

    To love God is the First Commandment, not to love human teachings above God. Even Christ corrected people. Correcting someone doesn't mean you hate them. These quotes are against the Orthodox Church unifying with other faiths that promote false doctrine. Once you change the doctrines of the Orthodox Church, you're no longer practicing Orthodoxy. There is nothing hateful here at all. Again, these are the quotes of the Saints.
• − opinion#769 4 likes at the source

  What if your spouse is from another religion and wants to do both services?

  • − opinion#779 29 likes at the source

    Talk to your spiritual father about this. Don't take advice from ordinary lay people.
  • − opinion#780 20 likes at the source

    The whole point of this post is to push back against the Patriarchs, Archbishops and Metropolitans who are pushing union with Rome and ecumenism without considering any of the consequences. They haven't weighed the prophecies of the Saints or thought about what times we're living in. Instead of the church guiding the world, the world is 'guiding' the church. And they refuse to hear any opposing views even when the concerns are legitimate.
  • − opinion#781

    What exactly would the consequences of ecumenism be?
  • − opinion#782

    Separation from Christ. And in the end, the damnation of your soul.
  • − opinion#783 1 likes at the source

    Please read all of the slides, the Saints explain it fully. Accepting the false doctrines of other denominations means you're not teaching Christ's true message. The RC in particular have a thousand years of doctrine and Saints that are incompatible with Orthodoxy. Ecumenism outside Christianity is a denial of Christ. In the end a one world ecumenical faith only serves the antichrist and denies Christ as the Son of God and Savior. This ties directly into the prophecies and teachings of the Saints, which have been completely ignored.
  • − opinion#784

    An Orthodox Christian ☦️ CANNOT pray at or attend heretical (non-Orthodox) services
  • − opinion#785

    You can attend, but not pray or take part
  • − opinion#786

    So are you planning to take back Constantinople?
• − opinion#764 3 likes at the source

  From what I understand, miracles happen in both the catholic and orthodox churches, and that shows both churches are divine.

  • − opinion#787 1 likes at the source

    Romans 10:13 "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved" ❤️🙌🔥
• − opinion#765 2 likes at the source

  Ecumenicism is a blessing we need for the restoration of the FULL church.

  • − opinion#788

    Not according to the Orthodox saints. Unity is a blessing under Christ, but unity under the antichrist is the end. Go read Revelation, the world will unite under the antichrist. No nations, one currency and one ecumenical faith under satan.
  • − opinion#789

    Patriarch Bartholomew recognises the Pope as the successor of Peter. Unity with the catholics has nothing to do with the antichrist. Literally all it comes down to is the filioque and papal supremacy, which we can easily overcome through dialogue, since the eastern catholics don't say the filioque in their liturgy. Communion with all the original 5 patriarchal seats needs to be restored. The protestants and evangelicals are another matter though, because they have no apostolic roots
  • − opinion#790

    1. We grew up with the prophecies of the Saints. We know that ecumenism with other Christian denominations will eventually lead to unity with faiths outside Christianity, and that would be a betrayal of Christ. It has everything to do with the antichrist, he will claim to be the messiah and demand worship from everyone. Scripture says this, no? We know not to fall for these plans from the early stages of ecumenism. 2. No, you recognise the Patriarch as successor to Peter, you don't know what the Patriarch actually thinks. The Patriarch divided Orthodoxy and is open to manipulation for dollars. His actions have raised suspicion over the years and we're now finding things out. He doesn't represent the Orthodox, and the response to this post proves most Orthodox do not support him.
• − opinion#766 2 likes at the source

  Ecumenism can be done wrong (if you compromise the truth) but it can be done right when you hold onto both truth and friendship. This might sound crazy to you but you can be friends with someone and still disagree with their worldview.

  • − opinion#791

    Getting along with someone of a different faith is not ecumenism. Ecumenism is believing that all faiths or all denominations are equally the body of Christ, which simply isn't true
  • − opinion#792 1 likes at the source

    We're not talking about friendships here, we're talking about the recent news of Bartholomew wanting to reunite with the RC. That's why I posted these quotes. It's more about the decisions the Patriarchs are making without properly considering the theology, doctrine and structure of the RC church. Our Saints gave many warnings about this.
  • − opinion#793 1 likes at the source

    I pray for the unity of the church! It was one church and it should be one again
  • − opinion#794

    That's not how Pope JPII defined ecumenism
  • − opinion#795

    So you gladly accept false teachings for the sake of a union. The saints had a lot to say about this (see all 15 slides). I personally go by the signs of the times. Only the antichrist benefits from a globalist world, faith and currency (Revelation 13). Do you believe in Vatican 1 and 2 doctrine? A thousand years of RC theology that differs from Orthodox theology. The saints of the RC church? Do you believe these things are true? Because that's what you're agreeing to if the Orthodox unify with the RC. Have you considered any of this?
  • − opinion#796

    Have you considered that God can do anything? Like I said, we were once one Church
  • − opinion#797

    He can do anything, but God is also a lover of truth, and His Orthodox church is honoured because it tries to defend the truth. One of the quotes in the post says not to accept false doctrine out of love - St. John Chrysostom. If we keep going like this, we're no longer practicing Orthodoxy. The Anglicans and RC failed for a reason, so does it make sense to make the same mistakes they did?
  • − opinion#798

    And why would I care about the definition of a theological word from someone who isn't part of my faith?