My biggest pet peeves are these parallels

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• − opinion#1100 46 likes at the source

  There are literally icons older than the idea of sola scriptura 🙌☦️

  • − opinion#1101 17 likes at the source

    there were literal icons in the 2nd temple synagogue
• − opinion#1098 4 likes at the source

  really ? Icons are Divine, they aren't worshipped but venerated
• − opinion#1099 4 likes at the source

  Im struggling with the second one… we don't need an intercesor when we have Jesus

  • − opinion#1102 28 likes at the source

    Well since the Saints in heaven are alive and still part of the body of Christ they can intercede for you, Saint Paul says intercession is for all and we ought to pray for one another. The Cloud of Witnesses simply ask Christ to have mercy on you on your behalf, God listens to holy people so their intercession helps us get closer to Christ
  • − opinion#1103 3 likes at the source

    but wouldn't asking others to pray for you mean close friends/family? If they are alive in Christ, would it then be permissible to go to people who have died to ask for intercession? genuinely trying to understand here as I have a growing interest in orthodoxy but have been a lifelong Protestant/charismatic. How are verses like 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 7:25, and Romans 8 interpreted in the orthodox view?
  • − opinion#1104 18 likes at the source

    Mediator and intercessor are different. We intercede to be closer to Christ then He mediates between us and the Father.
  • − opinion#1105 3 likes at the source

    well the reason we go specifically to the Saints is because the Church has recognized their faith and devotion to God so we know they are in heaven interceding for us, with other believers who died, they are likely in paradise awaiting the ressurection and final judgement. One second to look at the verses you mentioned
  • − opinion#1106 2 likes at the source

    There's a difference between mediator and intercessor, Christ is the only mediator because he alone could re-unite humanity with God. The verses you mentioned likely are regarding God's work on the cross and his ability to save mankind. The intercession of the Saints is for believers to remain in God's grace
  • − opinion#1107 3 likes at the source

    I came from a Pentecostal background as well. As Paul says "it's not I but Christ in me" and scripture also tells us "the prayers of a righteous man helped much". If we look at that in context to Christ saying to the Pharisees that someone may Die but will not see death He is referring to the saints. There is an afterlife to which the saints are participating in Gods glory and grace and why couldn't God allow them to continue to help us? The same way we believe our grandparents are looking down on us from heaven and watching us it's no different. God is love and the saints are alive. Trying to mess with other spirits for magic or other means is vastly different. The saints ask thy Gods will be done not ours.
  • − opinion#1108 1 likes at the source

    Idk it's pretty cool asking Christs mom to pray for you when you're at work. I heard she asked Christ to turn water to wine on behalf of someone at a wedding and he did it…
• − opinion#1097 3 likes at the source

  I'm Orthodox. These comparisons don't work. We believe holy power dwells in an object, just like demons inversely occupy a ziggurat. Our prayers to the saints are spiritual communication.....we need nuance when preaching the faith.

  • − opinion#1109

    are you arguing that icons have divine power?
  • − opinion#1110

    yeah for sure, in a sense. They're not Uncreated, but they are endowed with the Uncreated Energies. They are divine like the angels are.